3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[FlyersFan]

It's expected for Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty to absorb it because Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty always have.

It's mind boggling.   Foreign left wingers on this board campaigning in favor of criminal illegal aliens being able to live in America free from the law.   They must be jealous of America because they obviously want to see the downfall of the USA.  That's what they are campaigning for.

[Encia22]

Full Known List of Alex Prettis Clashes with ICE

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The third time he shows up armed ... and engages again ... 

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From your source: The January 13 encounter.
 

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Shortly after, the agents begin to disperse. Pretti, who appeared to have a gun in his waistband as he did the day of the shooting, picked up his belongings which had come loose amid the scuffle and walked away.

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[FlyersFan]

From your source: The January 13 encounter.
 

Yeah, I saw that.   It 'appeared' that he was armed previously but it doesn't say for sure so I didn't want to claim it as him being armed ... it's disputed.

[Encia22]

I'm no expert on the matter, so can anyone explain what is seen in the video, @ 01:25.

[FlyersFan]

I'm no expert on the matter, so can anyone explain what is seen in the video, @ 01:25.

Yeah .. looks like a gun in the 'kidney position'.
People are saying 'appears' to be a gun.
But no one is saying definitively that it is.
Looks like it to me though.

The last encounter when he died ... The minute he impeded law enforcement, the minute he resisted
arrest, then he was no longer carrying legally.    And he was carrying without having
his ID or his permit, which is required by the law to do, which means he was carrying illegally.  

Also - The video says it's unclear what happened before this.
But the longer version shows Pretti impeding law enforcement,
abusing them verbally, spitting on them (which is assault according
to the law) and damaging law enforcement property.

[Encia22]

Yep, here's another video where it is clearer and there's the missing footage from the other video where the taillight was being kicked.

Go to @ 01:18 for a clearer view of the 'gun'.

[FlyersFan]

Yep, here's another video where it is clearer and there's the missing footage from the other video where the taillight was being kicked.

Go to @ 01:18 for a clearer view of the 'gun'.

Oh yeah .... that's clear.
Looks like a gun to me.

[PorkChop96]

They drew their firearms, aimed, and pulled the trigger enough to auto-disengage the three safety's and to fire. They are all intentional things.

This right here tells me that you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about....no Glock has 3 user interface safety's. 

You are also misrepresenting intention in this situation. Again, you have the gift of hindsight, the officers were reacting to a gunshot that did not come from any of them, a mere seconds after one of them announced there was a firearm on Pretti's person. 

No, the killer should not be killed for his actions, but a life sentence should at least be on the books for a sentencing consideration. Definitely, someone who has shown a propensity for using a firearm to kill, should be removed from ever being able to do so again. Perhaps moving them to permanent desk jobs if they are otherwise 'good' at detection and analysis.
 

You had the slightest amount of common sense for a split second, and then you completely blew it out of the water....smh

Propensity would imply that the officers first instinct, in every situation, is to draw and fire his weapon. That is factually incorrect, as usual.

The officers/agents in question only drew to fire once a non LEO firearm was discharged. Yes, it was a ND, but again remember that nobody in the pile knew Pretti was disarmed. They reacted with lethal force, which Pretti had escalated the situation to. Yes, Pretti escalated the situation to lethal when he resisted arrest while possessing a firearm. 

Removing an officer from regular duty to "ride a desk" for the rest of his career is ignorant and shows what little you actually know about law enforcement as a whole. 
 

Treating the role as a 'get out of jail free' is a corruption of justice. No-one sane wants to enable bad-cop thrill-killers, so it makes sense that anything vaguely like that should get rooted-out before it can become endemic.

More ignorance, what a surprise.

No officer has a "get out of jail free card" for being on the force. Plain and simple, whether you choose to realize it or not. Anytime there is a lethal use of force incident with an officer, they are placed on desk duty until the investigation is complete as to if it was a lawful shoot or not. If it was, they are put back on the street to patrol and continue their duties. If it was not, they are then removed from duty and the trials begin. 


Are there "bad-cop thrill-killers" in every law enforcement agency around the world, absolutely. Do you only see these people as "bad-cop thrill-killers" because of the situation that led up tot he shooting, without taking into account the actual accounts of what happened, you absolutely do. 


To break this down for you again, Pretti showed up armed to a "protest"(which is his legal right to do), while vandalizing agents vehicles and resisting officers. He then chose to do it again, interfered with agents performing their duties(a crime btw), assaulted officers while resisting arrest(another crime), when he did that he escalated the situation because he did have a firearm and that is what led to the shooting. Was the shooting lawful, yes. Should the shooting have happened in the first place, no. Is Pretti's death a tragedy, yes. Were there a lot of things that went wrong on both sides that led to his death that could have been avoided, you're damn right. 

Not sure how much more simple I could make this for you to understand, I know you will resist either way so good luck to you in your delusions.

[FlyersFan]

 Yes, Pretti escalated the situation to lethal when he resisted arrest while possessing a firearm. 

Exactly.
And as soon as he did that he was no longer 'legally carrying'.
He did it to himself.
DARWIN AWARD.

[PorkChop96]

Exactly.
And as soon as he did that he was no longer 'legally carrying'.
Information out says he didn't have his permit or ID on him either.
That means he never was carrying legally.
He did it to himself.
DARWIN AWARD.

He was technically always legally carrying. He had a permit, he just did not have it on him. It's viewed the same as driving without your DL on your person, it's frowned upon but does not make it illegal. 

I was incorrect when I said that made it illegal for him to be carrying earlier so I will eat my crow on that one. 


The rest of that is true. When he resisted arrest, while armed with a firearm, he escalated the situation to one that made lethal force lawful.