3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[UltraBudgie]

Federal immigration law overrides states "wants" every single time......sorry to tell you bud

No! State's rights! Show me where in the Constitution is says the Federal government can do that, other than Article I Section 8 and Article IV Section 4.

Yeah, I thought so.

[Knows]

Similar gaslighting took place after the shooting of Renee Good after she attempted to run over an ICE agent with her car earlier this month. She was immediately portrayed as a scared “Minnesota mom” who had just dropped her son off at school and accidentally found herself in the middle of an active ICE operation.
In reality, she was a committed anti-ICE activist who deliberately sought to obstruct federal immigration enforcement, and was part of her local “ICE Watch” group as well, with which she received training on how to obstruct federal agents.

What The Left Doesn't Want You To Know About Alex Pretti, The Man That Border Patrol Shot

[chr0naut]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. ICE and most other law enforcement agencies have generally broad authority to detain and/or arrest people who break the law even if the law they broke is not within the general purview of their agency.

So do Parks and Wildlife, mall cops, the EPA and the Administration for Children and Families.

ICE and CBP, both under Homeland Security, didn't even exist until after the attacks on 9th November 2001.

The creation of Homeland Security was a response those attacks (and there were other existing agencies already doing the same jobs). The whole of DHS is redundant.

At the time of the creation of Homeland Security, it was largely political theatre by an administration that had both been blind to the build-up, and had responded very poorly.

And since the creation of Homeland Security, several cooperating US Federal agencies have done things (using the 911 attacks as a justification), that amount to tyrannical and anti-Constitutional government overreach (such as the NSA collecting and retaining permanent records of surveillance on every US citizen).

[MrGashler77]

ICE and CBP, both under Homeland Security, didn't even exist until after the attacks on 9th November 2001.

The creation of Homeland Security was a response those attacks, and there were other existing agencies already doing the same jobs.

At the time of the creation of Homeland Security, it was largely political theatre by an administration that had previously responded very poorly. And since its creation, several agencies have done things that amount to tyrannical and anti-Constitutional government overreach (such as the NSA collecting and retaining permanent records of surveillance on every US citizen).

And?

What does any of that have to do with your profoundly incorrect claim that ICE and CBP don't have the authority to detain or arrest people for committing crimes that aren't within their purview? Does any of that somehow make what you incorrectly claimed be any less incorrect?

[chr0naut]

And?

What does any of that have to do with your profoundly incorrect claim that ICE and CBP don't have the authority to detain or arrest people for committing crimes that aren't within their purview? Does any of that somehow make what you incorrectly claimed be any less incorrect?

I never claimed that ICE and CBP don't have the authority to detain or arrest people for committing crimes that aren't within their purview? Even private citizens have authority to detain criminals under US law.

I was claiming that ICE and CBP are intentionally taking many actions outside of their purview, and so have a poor record of achievement of the goals within their purview, as a result.

[putnam6]

I was claiming that ICE and CBP are intentionally taking many actions outside of their purview, and so have a poor record of achievement of the goals within their purview, as a result.

What "many actions" have been taken outside their purview?

Let's remember that some of those outside their purview actions include crowd control.

Which is in the purview of the Minneapolis Police, who have been absent.

Ipso facto, if the Minneapolis Police were doing thier jobs on location, ICE.CBP wouldn't be burdened by operating outside thier purview

[MrGashler77]

I never claimed that ICE and CBP don't have the authority to detain or arrest people for committing crimes that aren't within their purview? Even private citizens have authority to detain criminals under US law.

I was claiming that ICE and CBP are intentionally taking many actions outside of their purview, and so have a poor record of achievement of the goals within their purview, as a result.

You wanna try that again and maybe get your recollection of your own words right this time?

"Their title is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They are miles from any border and aren't at a any other port of entry for goods or personnel, in suburban Minnesota.

They are as much 'the police or the FBI' as mall security, or Parks and Wildlife, or Animal Control.

The domain of the operations and authority of ICE is clear and does not cover the arrest or harassment of people who have not committed infractions against immigration and customs laws."

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[Oldcarpy2]

Blimey


It's as if some on here are ignoring what Tom Homan has said?

[WallFlowerActive]

You wanna try that again and maybe get your recollection of your own words right this time?

"Their title is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They are miles from any border and aren't at a any other port of entry for goods or personnel, in suburban Minnesota.

They are as much 'the police or the FBI' as mall security, or Parks and Wildlife, or Animal Control.

The domain of the operations and authority of ICE is clear and does not cover the arrest or harassment of people who have not committed infractions against immigration and customs laws."

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And again..

What Will Happen if I Miss My Immigration Court Date?Missing your immigration court date can have serious repercussions. If you do not appear when expected, an in absentia removal order may be issued, per 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(5). A removal order in absentia means you will be ordered deported in your absence from the hearing. This legislation states that if you were provided written notice of your required attendance at a proceeding but fail to appear, a judge can order you to be removed, otherwise known as deported, given that you are removable.
An in absentia order can make you ineligible for relief such as asylum, cancellation of removal, or adjustment of status. It can also make it more difficult to be granted a visa, green card, or other immigration benefits in the future.


https://www.cheryldavidlaw.com/miss-immi...20hearing.

Hearings can be held in any of the 50 states.  If a hearing is missed without setting up a new hearing date, “but fail to appear, a judge can order you to be removed, otherwise known as deported”.

So.  Yes, ICE has jurisdiction.  And has law backing to capture and deport people that is part of the process.

[UltraBudgie]

Blimey


It's as if some on here are ignoring what Tom Homan has said?

What Homan said makes perfect sense. ICE should prioritize, and certain aspects are not ICE's job, and are beyond their expertise. Logically, the FBI should be the ones cracking down on the organized violent extremism, and the Armed Forces should be brought in to deal with the street-level insurrection, since local police and the state Nation Guard have been rendered ineffective by rebel authorities. Everyone has their specialty. Dealing with the treasonous political elements is a little more of a delicate task, however. It's unclear how that should be handled.

Everyone should just take it down a notch.