3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[sahgwa]

You do realize that is coming out of your brain — right?  Those are your thoughts. 

No one else’s.

Way to state the obvious.
Now kindly address the fake beliefs, the mythos , if you will, of why these 'crusaders' are going against Trump, ICE etc, and if you are honest, please admit its because they think they are fighting against some (falsely) perceived oppression.

[chr0naut]

I'm not talking about that "problem" because it is not part of this topic, it's like you don't understand what we are actually talking about.....shocker

The problem is that merely carrying a firearm (not even aiming or shooting), something allowed under the stupid 2nd Amendment, means that you can be killed by law enforcement if they are just scared for any reason.

Guns, on average, just aren't protective, and are useless in citizens opposing tyranny because the tyranny outnumbers the armed defenders, is better armed and, these days, is armoured as well, and their will to shoot is high.

That is very pertinent to this specific topic thread.

[putnam6]

Sounds as if they are going after ICE Signal Chat users
 

 
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BREAKING - Federal agents are now moving through the interior of Minnesota performing door knock checks while being largely ignored by agitators after numerous anti ICE Signal chats were discovered being led by multiple Minnesota Democrat state officials.

[PorkChop96]

Guns, on average, just aren't protective, and are useless in citizens opposing tyranny because the tyranny outnumbers the armed defenders, is better armed and, these days, is armoured as well, and their will to shoot is high.

That is very pertinent to this specific topic thread.

Was he there using his firearm to "oppose tyranny", or was he just there with it being a retard? 

There is a very large difference between the two, and sadly the latter is what cost him his life. I am not here to say the shoot was justified or not, I am simply observing the shortcomings of the man that put himself in that negligent situation. 

If he was truly there to "oppose tyranny", he should have down it the first time he went and interfered with the feds and filed a lawsuit, not double down on stupid and pour gasoline on the fire by openly carrying a firearm into the same situation he was in a week prior. 


Having the gun is not a problem, I will always advocate for the safe and secure carrying of a firearm in any almost any situation. BUT, in this situation, it was the dumbest thing he could have done that day, seconded only by going there to do what he was doing in the first place.

[WallFlowerActive]

No.  It was a dirty war with the IRA bombing, killing and maiming civilians both in NI and in the UK.

They even tried to asassinate our then PM.

Bit different.

Then explain Bloody Sunday..
 

Bloody Sunday, or the Bogside Massacre,[sup][1][/sup]was a massacre on 30 January 1972 when British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a protest march in the Bogside area of Derry,[sup][a][/sup] in Northern Ireland. Thirteen men were killed outright and the death of another man four months later has been attributed to his gunshot injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded.[sup][2][/sup]Other protesters were injured by shrapnel, rubber bullets, or batons; two were run down by British Army vehicles; and some were beaten.[sup][3][/sup][sup][4][/sup] All of those shot were Catholics. The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association(NICRA) to protest against internment without trial. The soldiers were from the 1st Battalion of the Parachute Regiment ("1 Para"), the same battalion implicated in the Ballymurphy massacre several months before.[sup][5][/sup]

[sup]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)[/sup]

Seems like the UK has its own Kent state moment.

I asked about the troubles in the UK.  Who are the agitators that are illegally interfering with ICE agents official duties most like?  In a messy situation created by the Biden administration.

Added. How many assassination attempts did Trump survive….

[Oldcarpy2]

Then explain Bloody Sunday..
 

Seems like the UK has its own Kent state moment.

I asked about the troubles in the UK.  Who are the agitators that are illegally interfering with ICE agents official duties most like?  In a messy situation created by the Biden administration.

Added. How many assassination attempts did Trump survive….

Between 14 August 1969 and 31 July 2007, 1,441 British military personnel died as a result of operations in Northern Ireland during Operation Banner. Of these, 722 personnel were killed in paramilitary attacks, while 719 died due to other causes such as accidents, suicide, or incidents outside Northern Ireland. Total Military Deaths: 1,441.Killed by Paramilitaries: 722.Other Deaths: 719.

 Context: This was the longest continuous deployment in British military history, with over 250,000 personnel serving during the Troubles. 

 The highest annual death toll for the British Army occurred during the peak of the conflict in the early 1970s, with 130 soldiers killed in 1972 alone. Total deaths during the Troubles (including civilians and police) exceeded 3,500. 

Bit different, no?

Paid agitators and domestic terrorists?

Thanks America for funding the IRA, by the way.

[chr0naut]

Was he there using his firearm to "oppose tyranny", or was he just there with it being a retard? 

I'd argue that any non-law enforcement person that carries a firearm in public, is a retard - just asking to be shot by another retard or by law enforcement.

There is a very large difference between the two, and sadly the latter is what cost him his life. I am not here to say the shoot was justified or not, I am simply observing the shortcomings of the man that put himself in that negligent situation. 

If he was truly there to "oppose tyranny", he should have down it the first time he went and interfered with the feds and filed a lawsuit, not double down on stupid and pour gasoline on the fire by openly carrying a firearm into the same situation he was in a week prior. 

Having the gun is not a problem, I will always advocate for the safe and secure carrying of a firearm in any almost any situation. BUT, in this situation, it was the dumbest thing he could have done that day, seconded only by going there to do what he was doing in the first place.

But you have previously argued that carrying is protective. This situation is one of many that disproves that fantasy.

And you cheered Kyle Rittenhouse for doing the same thing. Some consistency, please!

Pretti didn't draw or fire his weapon, he just had it, and the fact that the 'law enforcement' had disarmed him prior to illegally shooting him in what they said was 'self defence' is a further proof of another of America's stupid laws. One that allows murderers to go free, all they have to do is claim self defence.

Regardless of why someone fired upon another, someone has died, and there should be severe legal consequence for the perpetrator regardless of motive. If it wasn't outright murder, then it was manslaughter.

In other countries, someone who kills in self defence is convicted, because the truth is, they have killed someone, and that is against the law, regardless of motive.

In the olden days, it was a life for a life. So, at least a modern interpretation of a life sentence sounds less harsh without loosing the seriousness of the offence.

[bastion]

Then explain Bloody Sunday..
 

Seems like the UK has its own Kent state moment.

I asked about the troubles in the UK.  Who are the agitators that are illegally interfering with ICE agents official duties most like?  In a messy situation created by the Biden administration.

Added. How many assassination attempts did Trump survive….

The protestors thankfully aren't paramiliatary organisations firing rpgs, grenades, sniper riffles or setting off nail bombs oa daily/weekly basi as happened in the troubles -thanfully there's no comparing the two situations but indeed Bloody Sunday was an attrocity but the context in which it happened is nothing like the current situation in Minnesota thankfully. 

I think Sunshine Underground or Timothy McVeigh is more comparable to the Troubles as thery're self declared terrorists and used the same fertiliser bombs as IRA just IRA conducted 100s of bombings with each causing the same devestation and loss of life McVeigh caused.

I'm not trying to portray the UK as innocent just that there are other more applicable comparisons to the Kent State situation in the UK like the miners strike and I was personally involved in a peaaceul protest where police 'kettled' us in and rode horses into the crowd while swinging battons/billy clubs for a couple of hours and refusing to allow injured.unconcious people to leave. When 20,000 children in my home town went on strike for a fair days pay for a fair days work the army came and shot dozens of them in a far worse attrocity than Kent State.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Between 14 August 1969 and 31 July 2007, 1,441 British military personnel died as a result of operations in Northern Ireland during Operation Banner. Of these, 722 personnel were killed in paramilitary attacks, while 719 died due to other causes such as accidents, suicide, or incidents outside Northern Ireland. Total Military Deaths: 1,441.Killed by Paramilitaries: 722.Other Deaths: 719.

 Context: This was the longest continuous deployment in British military history, with over 250,000 personnel serving during the Troubles. 

 The highest annual death toll for the British Army occurred during the peak of the conflict in the early 1970s, with 130 soldiers killed in 1972 alone. Total deaths during the Troubles (including civilians and police) exceeded 3,500. 

Bit different, no?

Paid agitators and domestic terrorists?

Thanks America for funding the IRA, by the way.

You mean thanks George Harrison of the Beatles, a U.K. citizen?  He had a pretty good smuggling network. Not to mention NORAID asking for economic relief and aid packages in donations and then using it on military hardware yet you want to blame America as a whole. Your bigotry is showing.

[Vermilion]

So much for the “peaceful good hearted nurse” narrative…

BBC obtains footage from January 13 of a man they say is Alex Pretti

Videos appears to show him spitting at federal law enforcement and attacking their vehicle

https://x.com/RyanSaavedra/status/2016611647553413126

It’s him.
Wearing the same clothes as when he finally FO.

No wonder why he got roughed up.

Also, no wonder why he decided to bring his pistol to his next, and final, assault of ICE.