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(01-27-2026, 07:46 PM)vonclod Wrote: Obama deported plenty..how did he do it?
You have a game show host as a president, he wants everything to be a spectacle, maybe less spectacle?? Masked goons ain't the way..IMO
Obama had 59 shooting incidents during ICE operations. I saw some other data and issues I had no idea existed that would’ve been headline news if it were Trump. The MSM didn’t make it an issue as deportation news was non existent from what I remember.
In other words, I don’t think it was much different besides the sensationalism the MSM is giving it under Trump.
I’ll have to try and find the article, it was very interesting.
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(01-27-2026, 07:58 PM)KrustyKrab Wrote: Obama had 59 shooting incidents during ICE operations. I saw some other data and issues I had no idea existed that would’ve been headline news if it were Trump. The MSM didn’t make it an issue as deportation news was non existent from what I remember.
In other words, I don’t think it was much different besides the sensationalism the MSM is giving it under Trump.
I’ll have to try and find the article, it was very interesting.
It's funny.
Trump has decreased shooting incidents yet because of that, they are now more noticeable.
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(01-27-2026, 07:58 PM)KrustyKrab Wrote: Obama had 59 shooting incidents during ICE operations. I saw some other data and issues I had no idea existed that would’ve been headline news if it were Trump. The MSM didn’t make it an issue as deportation news was non existent from what I remember.
In other words, I don’t think it was much different besides the sensationalism the MSM is giving it under Trump.
I’ll have to try and find the article, it was very interesting. But..again IMO, Trump wants the spectacle, he wants everyone to see, maybe Obama just did the work?..I dunno. One thing, I think Obama stopped more at the border and sent them back right off the bat.
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(01-27-2026, 07:44 PM)KrustyKrab Wrote: So, Trump who’s deporting a lot of murderers, rapist, yada, yada…is the one creating the chaos by enforcing immigration law and not the people like Walz, Frey, Ellison who are actually the ones inciting the discourse? You’re on another planet bud, this isn’t Trump creating the chaos, it’s being manufactured by the leftist arseholes, seriously take you blinders off and wake up.
Why isn’t it going on in all cities? Most of the cities in the country are having little to no problems executing ICE operations. They’re govs for the most part are working with ICE and their officials aren’t inciting violence and wala no problems. If Trump was creating the chaos wouldn’t it be happening everywhere? The chaos has been mostly a Minnesota thing, ya know?
Ask yourself why? Maybe think for yourself without your handlers doing it for you on this one.
Please tell me how Trump is creating chaos in the country??? I can’t wait to hear it…….
Did you not get some chew toy you wanted? You seem very emotionally invested into the hate anything Trump phenomenon.
Take it up with the congressional Republicans that are calling for an investigation into trumps ice tactics.
That threat of an investigation is why trump is changing leadership, and tactics in Minnesota.
Sorry if it hurts your feels, but trump is a lame duck without even losing the midterms, yet.
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01-27-2026, 08:04 PM
This post was last modified: 01-27-2026, 08:13 PM by putnam6. 
Bovino's position was ALWAYS temporary in this initial phase partially atleast because local Minnesotan LEOs were told to stand down.
CBP has been a huge partner to ICE in Minnesota; this was/is unusual, it warranted a "big cheese" for the beginning, and now needs a leader with a different skill set during the next phase.
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Normally (outside this surge), both agencies have limited permanent presence in Minnesota—ICE has a field office in St. Paul covering the region, while CBP's Border Patrol has involvement via northern border sectors (like Grand Forks, which includes parts of Minnesota, but with modest staffing focused on the U.S.-Canada border). The question aligns with the recent high-profile deployments, where ICE clearly had more agents on the ground in Minnesota.
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(01-27-2026, 07:55 PM)Solvedit Wrote: How about you don't dodge the question with pointless rigmarole?
If the US is doing wrong, then you must be supporting candidates who want to open the borders. Are you?
Or, in a time of national crisis, do you insist the US only hire perfect policemen, even though people are dying from the criminals the previous administration let in?
And that's what we like to call a false dichotomy.
Criticising US policy doesn't mean i support open borders or want chaos.
Im entitled to my opinion, the same as you are.
Policies can be flawed while still enforcing reasonable immigration.
And saying "either you hire perfect cops or people die" ignores reality.
No system is perfect, just as with people.
Solutions involve training and oversight, not blind loyalty.
You realise a person can want secure borders, competent policing, and humane immigration simultaneously, right?
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01-27-2026, 08:11 PM
This post was last modified: 01-27-2026, 08:17 PM by Solvedit. 
(01-27-2026, 08:06 PM)andy06shake Wrote: You realise a person can want secure borders, competent policing, and humane immigration simultaneously, right?
So what's the problem? Someone messed up and acted hastily and someone got shot.
Unfortunately, several past administrations have done far too little, and catching up doesn't look pretty.
Incidentally, there were 59 shootings by ICE agents under the Obama administration. Trump has made shootings more rare despite widespread interference by paid protesters.
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(01-27-2026, 07:44 PM)KrustyKrab Wrote: So, Trump who’s deporting a lot of murderers, rapist, yada, yada…
That is a lie.
By their own statistics, 70% of those detained by ICE have had no conviction.
And ICE have also deported people who were legal US citizens, were women and children.
Trump is conducting an ethnic purge, and like others who have done so, is alleging the ethnic minority are criminals.
It just isn't happening in the way Trump lied that it would.
Quote:is the one creating the chaos by enforcing immigration law and not the people like Walz, Frey, Ellison who are actually the ones inciting the discourse? You’re on another planet bud, this isn’t Trump creating the chaos, it’s being manufactured by the leftist arseholes, seriously take you blinders off and wake up.
Why isn’t it going on in all cities? Most of the cities in the country are having little to no problems executing ICE operations. They’re govs for the most part are working with ICE and their officials aren’t inciting violence and wala no problems. If Trump was creating the chaos wouldn’t it be happening everywhere? The chaos has been mostly a Minnesota thing, ya know?
Ask yourself why? Maybe think for yourself without your handlers doing it for you on this one.
Please tell me how Trump is creating chaos in the country??? I can’t wait to hear it…….
Did you not get some chew toy you wanted? You seem very emotionally invested into the hate anything Trump phenomenon.
Trump is:
- denying the right of the US States to self-govern and self police.
- is lying about crime statistics and is only sending in troops to Democrat run cities and States and avoiding those who do have highest crime rates but are Republican run.
- has bypassed Congress's Constitutional sole right to levy tariffs.
- has ignored more than 350 Judicial rulings, when he has been ruled against as taking illegal actions.
- is trying to break down the supremacy of authority of the USA Constitution on issues like State rights, birth-right citizenship, the separation of powers, has illegally hired and fired staff, and we all know the falsehood of his denial of the electoral process' integrity and his suggestions that the process should be overturned by force of arms (insurrection).
Trump is not a patriot. He doesn't act caringly or do anything for anyone but himself. He is doing nothing positive about debt or budget and instead is levying heavy trade tariffs which are being borne mainly by US citizens. And he is conducting an ethnic purge, which he is throwing vast amounts of public money at.
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(01-27-2026, 08:11 PM)Solvedit Wrote: So what's the $&%^@% problem? Someone messed up and acted hastily.
Call down, fella, you're apt to blow a gasket.
Or did you spill something on the keyboard?
As to all the hullabaloo and kerfuffle.
That would seem to be because federal agents shot and killed a nurse.
And earlier a mother in her car during aggressive immigration raids and patrols.
Could those sad acts of depravity be responsible for sparking all the outrage and protests?
This isn't a minor oops.
It's part of a pattern of lethal force and people are rightly furious.
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(01-27-2026, 08:16 PM)chr0naut Wrote: That is a lie.
By their own statistics, 70% of those detained by ICE have had no conviction.
And ICE have also deported people who were legal US citizens, were women and children.
Trump is conducting an ethnic purge, and like others who have done so, is alleging the ethnic minority are criminals.
It just isn't happening in the way Trump lied that it would.
Trump is:
- denying the right of the US States to self-govern and self police.
- is lying about crime statistics and is only sending in troops to Democrat run cities and States and avoiding those who do have highest crime rates but are Republican run.
- has bypassing Congress's Constitutional sole right to levy tariffs.
- has ignored more than 350 Judicial rulings, when he has been ruled against as taking illegal actions.
- is trying to break down the supremacy of authority of the USA Constitution on issues like State rights, birth-right citizenship, the separation of powers, has illegally hired and fired staff, and we all know the falsehood of his denial of the electoral process' integrity and his suggestions that the process should be overturned by force of arms (insurrection).
Trump is not a patriot. He doesn't love or do anything for anyone but himself.
If the evil left hadn't left the border open for illegal aliens, then Trump wouldn't have a cause to pursue.
This "crisis" is of the lefts own making.
They have to own this.
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