3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[Vermilion]

I just find it so odd people are willing to celebrate him being mag dumped in the back just because he flailed a little bit in ten seconds after being pepper sprayed and struck.

People even going so far as to repeat he wiped his social media because they saw it on Twitter while refusing to provide sources (you could go to way back machine and get screenshots if it were true). Or repeating things they saw on Twitter about what the family said.

I think it’s just evidence there are statists on both sides of the aisle. Save face at any cost to keep some illusion that humans on “our team” never make mistakes. All humans make mistakes, this one was tragic.

The agents look like they made a mistake in a split second. That’s not even criminal if they truly feared for their lives because of a miscommunication. 

But instead, people are willing to peddle the narrative he was a domestic terrorist assassin, something even Trump himself and Karoline seem to be distancing themselves from.

What does this even win? All it does is turn off independents, the ones who actually decide elections. What’s the point on dying on this hill?

“because he flailed a little bit in ten seconds after being pepper sprayed and struck.”

LoL
Silly.

Even before Pretti put his hands on cops, he was only there to obstruct and impede officers conducting a lawful mission.
That’s a felony.
He purposely armed himself before he went to break the law.
His concealed carry permit is worthless the second he did that.
So even before he put his hands in those cops, he was a felon in possession of a gun.
When the shocking fact that Pretti had a gun entered the equation, he was Pretti much done for right there.

[Knows]

Got any proof of that?  As there's many videos of the ICE agent removing the pistol from his holster.

I saw a video of them trying to disarm him. But no video of the gun coming out of his holster. Could've been anyone's gun that popped loose. Didn't look like the gun he had. Was smaller and more compact. And these video's are being faked anyway.

[Vermilion]

The funny thing is, I’ve never asked for a conviction here. Ive said multiple times it was likely an accident, and that it happened fast enough many could agree they could have been fearful for their lives. That doesn’t justify the shoot, it just means they don’t see criminal charges.

The only people trying to skip court here are the ones saying he was a domestic terrorist without evidence, or even some instances they say they have a source but refuse to show it (a tweet).

And to my knowledge, he didn’t have the permit or ID on him, a petty misdemeanor. Is that a capital offense? What does that have to do with him being mag dumped on? Did they know he didn’t have those when they shot? What’s the point?

A person fighting with cops resisting arrest who is armed is exactly how cops get shot.
This isn’t rocket science.

That dumbshit was armed and he couldn’t handle it.
The end.

[CriticalStinker]

“because he flailed a little bit in ten seconds after being pepper sprayed and struck.”

LoL
Silly.

Even before Pretti put his hands on cops, he was only there to obstruct and impede officers conducting a lawful mission.
That’s a felony.
He purposely armed himself before he went to break the law.
His concealed carry permit is worthless the second he did that.
So even before he put his hands in those cops, he was a felon in possession of a gun.
When the shocking fact that Pretti had a gun entered the equation, he was Pretti much done for right there.

Maybe. Court never charged him with any of that.

None of that is reason for agents or officers to shoot you.

[putnam6]

The funny thing is, I’ve never asked for a conviction here. Ive said multiple times it was likely an accident, and that it happened fast enough many could agree they could have been fearful for their lives. That doesn’t justify the shoot, it just means they don’t see criminal charges.

The only people trying to skip court here are the ones saying he was a domestic terrorist without evidence, or even some instances they say they have a source but refuse to show it (a tweet).

And to my knowledge, he didn’t have the permit or ID on him, a petty misdemeanor. Is that a capital offense? What does that have to do with him being mag dumped on? Did they know he didn’t have those when they shot? What’s the point?

It makes Pretti's packing heat the one time he "just happens" to be on location for a random ICE raid, suspicious AF, my dear Watson.

There are too many questions to be definitive here.

I don't like the gun security of both sides or LEOs' trigger discipline from what I've seen so far 
 

Yes, Alex Pretti's gun was a Sig Sauer P320, a popular striker-fired pistol widely used by civilians, law enforcement (including some ICE agents), and the U.S. military (as the M17/M18 variant).
 
The Sig Sauer P320 has been controversial and is known in some circles for reports of unintentional or "uncommanded" discharges — meaning claims that it fired without the trigger being deliberately pulled. This has led to:

• Over 100 reported incidents and lawsuits since around 2016–2017, with at least 80 injuries alleged (per investigations by outlets like The Trace and The Washington Post in 2023, with ongoing reports into 2025–2026).
  
• Several law enforcement agencies (e.g., in Milwaukee, Dallas, Philadelphia SEPTA, and others in various states) temporarily or permanently removing or banning the P320 from use due to safety concerns.
  
• Bans or restrictions in some training facilities, ranges, and even competitions (e.g., IDPA has restricted it).
  
• Military incidents, including cases where soldiers were reportedly wounded by their own issued M18 pistols, though the military has not recalled them or deemed them unsafe overall.
  

SIG Sauer's position is that the P320 is safe, rigorously tested, and cannot discharge without a trigger pull under any circumstances. They attribute reported incidents to factors like:

• Improper handling or holstering.
  
• Incompatible/poor-quality holsters allowing trigger access.
  
• User error (e.g., negligent discharges misreported as uncommanded).
  
• External interference (e.g., foreign objects in the trigger guard).
  

 
In the context of the Alex Pretti incident (the January 2026 Minneapolis shooting during an anti-ICE protest), some experts, media reports (e.g., New York Post, CBS Minnesota), and gun community speculation have suggested his P320 may have accidentally discharged after being taken from him by an agent — potentially causing other agents to believe they were under fire and open up on Pretti. This ties directly into the P320's reputation for such claims, though official investigations (DHS probing) are ongoing, and video analyses vary on what exactly happened first.
Overall, while the P320 is a highly regarded, modular, and widely adopted firearm (millions sold, military standard), it has a documented history of accusations regarding accidental/unintentional firings that persist in public discourse, even as SIG Sauer and supporters maintain it's not defective. If you're considering one, many recommend using high-quality holsters designed specifically for it and following strict safety protocols. For the latest, check official sources like SIG Sauer's site or recent court/news updates.

[d00d]

Also, showing up to a protest with a gun isn’t illegal. Having multiple mags isn’t illegal. I imagine many people on this site have a gun and a few mags on them sometimes, or in their vehicle. Pretty normal stuff. You can say he ended up in a situation you wouldn’t want to be in with that on you, that’s something different. But you have to prove he had intent to commit a crime while holding the weapon to make a case for that, which is for court. Pulling up random statements and talking about a building that exists isn’t a court declared conviction.

It is, however, illegal to show up at a protest with a concealed weapon without your concealed carry permit, or any form of ID at all, for that matter.

And this is not unique to this guy. Some magic entity in the completely not real antifa organization instructs people to show up at the completely peaceful protests without ID so when they do some peaceful agitation, it's harder for law enforcement to identify them when they are arrested.

And it is illegal to impede federal officers in their investigation.

Tragic this guy was killed, yes, but it could have been avoided very easily.

[Maxmars]

Are we there yet?

Interfere or resist... any officer can and probably "should" kill you?

Is that the end here?

[PorkChop96]

Are we there yet?

Interfere or resist... any officer can and probably "should" kill you?

Is that the end here?

There are plenty of people that interfere and resist every day with cops and the feds.  99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of them are either arrested and charged or released without incident. 


But if you resist, with a concealed firearm, try to hit feds with your car, drag federal agents with your car, or anything else that puts the officers lives, or lives of those around them, in anger, lethal force can and will be used.

[CriticalStinker]

It makes Pretti's packing heat the one time he "just happens" to be on location for a random ICE raid, suspicious AF, my dear Watson.

There are too many questions to be definitive here.

I don't like the gun security of both sides or LEOs' trigger discipline from what I've seen so far 
 

Did he ever pull the gun?

[Vermilion]

Maybe. Court never charged him with any of that.

None of that is reason for agents or officers to shoot you.

Yes.
It indeed is the reason Pretti was shot.
You’ve already said it. (Feared for their lives)
This is the exact situation most cops get shot.
Sometimes with their own weapons.

A felon, obstructing law, fighting and resisting arrest, gun is found, officers self protect.
Legal precedent says those cops are good, no matter how many times they shot him, no matter where they shot him.