3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[argentus]

Americans live by an ideology -- this does not really fit that ideology.  Hence protesting.

Hard core reality?  The meek will NOT inherit the earth.

With all due respect, you paint with a very broad brush.    I don't believe there is ANY country or territory that is as homogeneous as you imply.

[worldstarcountry]

 

There have been no military gestapo tactics, only direct response to an  organized and heavily foreign funded attempts to deport the very criminals, mostly illegal aliens who have set this entire money laundering system up and the international network for which it was designed to fund for government takeovers. It is now plainly visible that Milwaukee was the urban epicenter of this massive international crime ring that was stealing elections around the USA, and even the world.

Frankly, the Trump administration has been too tolerant and have not gone far enough. Governor Walz, Mayor Fray, and the attorney general all need to be arrested, as well as anyone else in any elected or appointed position who is radicalizing American citizens in a clear attempt to stoop the very Law Enforcement agency that is working to remove the fraudsters who help to fund this chaos. The fact this chaos has been localized to Milwaukee shows it was the last place where the money was still flowing.

What you are witnessing is the burning up of what fumes of financing are left for one last hoorah in an attempt to frame a morality narrative that  could not be further from the truth.

Elected officials are now on audio encouraging violence against law enforcement, former corrupt cops. There has to  be some irony in cop haters rallying around a dirty cop. Police corruption, the very source of hatred of law  enforcement. But now that officer Fanone who basically IMO is responsible for the ICU nurses death in addition to the nurse himself who for whatever reason believed that placing yourself to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation while being armed made any kind of sense.

All I ask for leftists who think that immigration law enforcement is not law enforcement is go try this exact same behavior every time you see a shop lifter get arrested at Wal-mart. Go with a gun on your hip, and try  to physically interject yourself into the arrest and impede officers and see where that goes.

The  ICE is not responding any differently to the execution of their lawful duties during an assault and obstruction by third parties as any American law enforcement would if any person attempted to interfere with  their lawful duties.

You tube is full of videos of drivers who have been shot trying to run over police, as well as suspects who have been shot after scuffling with officers and then trying to reach for their gun. 

There is a common denominator that the propaganda news loves to leave out every time with these reports. That the person shot not only interjected themselves into a law enforcement action with zero authorization or right to do so, but also behaving dangerously. Renee Good attempted to use her vehicle as a missile to assault a law enforcement officer doing his lawful duty. I don't care  who is driving, if I got a gun and someone is aiming their vehicle at me, I will also shoot the driver.

The case with the ICU nurse, again, what business, what right, what authorization did he have to interject himself into a law enforcement operation and become confrontational and commit to obstructing the jobs of the law enforcement officer?

We are past time negotiating with criminal Governors who have been brazenly caught in billions of dollars fraud scandal much of which is currently funding this unrest. They got to spend it now before  it is confiscated in hopes they can make a few  more out of context sound bytes and ten second clips for the mid terms elections.

Insurrection act now, the governor words essentially implicated him in dereliction of duty. The mayor as well. Both have explicitly given orders to their local and state level law enforcement to not only ignore the funded violent agitators being paid with the last bit of stolen tax money, but essentially have given orders to the very agitators to continue interfering with legitimate law enforcement activity. We also have to investigate the propaganda media role in inflaming tensions, especially with their intentionally omitting serious context in their stories designed to inflame and fanaticize a one sided diatribe of half truths and whole lies. The editors need to be investigated, the network executives as well. They are clearly and intentionally fomenting civil unrest and violence against law enforcement.

I think a temporary military takeover of Milwaukee is in order, dismissing the entire state apparatus and at  least the local level in Milwaukee. It has been overly corrupted and whoever the ringleader of this foreign funded internal coup setup Milwaukee to be the hub, the nexus if you will of all the criminals and their NGO's . Either that or it was just the last one to be exposed  and this is their Alamo, their last  stand. Either way, the entire nexus of the ACTBLUE/NGO/WEF criminal enterprise for stealing elections and pushing unpopular liberal European policies on America through domestic color revolutions will hopefully be nipped in the bud sometime by Memorial day. 

And BTW, these same foreign funded America hating NGO's are planning mass harassment demonstrations and potentially terrorism attacks during all the major holidays of import to America. Independence, Memorial Day, President's day and even veteran's Day. All you got to is  look at the calendar and know this, every holiday is a potential terrorist attack. Of  course it will be framed as a fight for justice every single time.
Hopefully the FBI and the intelligence community can stay on point.

But Milwaukee is for sure ready for insurrection act. Every shove of an officer should be an arrest. Every act of vandalism against property should be an arrest. Every attempt of a crowd to interrupt an arrest should lead to arrests of all involved.

Protesting means standing off to the side, not interjecting and interfering in law enforcement actions. Donald J Trump, listen to me and listen good. The state government is lost, the governor is a compromised criminal and must be arrested asap. The Mayor must also be arrested for his role in firing up citizens to commit acts of violence and interfere with law enforcement activities.

The  longer you allow this to go on, the weaker you look to world rivals. Like corrupt officials can just act with impunity to not only steal tax payer money, but then mobilize the residents against federal officials as if they were the Dukes and Bishops, or Princes and Princesses of their own non-aligned fiefdoms. The more hope you give to the Royal NAZIS of Europe that their funding campaigns to these NGO's filled with those who are easily led astray as well as just good old fashioned maniacs will give them enough leverage to regain control of America through their compromised governors and congressman.

I ask America, do you really want cross dressing pedophiles doing drag shows in every elementary school in America?? Do we want a government that rewards the violent offenders of crimes against innocent people by first considering the violent assaulters rights and feelings before the victim of unprovoked violence?? Milwaukee is a flashpoint because it became a hub and central nexus of organized crime and fraud, with the state and local governments having clearly been captured by the organized crime as their own attorney general is on audio promising to help cover up such crimes.
The governor has been blasted by a big chunk of his own administration for ignoring the systemic theft which was being reported to him, and even allegedly issued retaliation for exposing such things.

What is happening today in Milwaukee has very little to do with immigration, probably only 10 percent. it is all about an established corrupt political party who's illegal funding mechanism were uncovered and the play by play back tracking since last year has simply converged onto the state as likely one of the primary hubs of criminal activity. All like minded criminals were encouraged and even ordered to move there in an  effort to build up and fortify this monstrosity of racketeering and fraud. Therefore, you will see a higher  propensity of maniacs willing to throw their bodies on the line because they have spent years living off of taxpayer funded NGO's and now its drying up they dread the  idea of returning to normal society.

It will be a painful operation, but it must be done. The State of Minnesota will come out of better, like New York did in the fifties when the FBI had to clear out the Mob from so many infiltrated  positions within local and state government.

The mission must carry on, the vipers den must be fumigated.

[UltraBudgie]

I don't believe there is ANY country or territory that is as homogeneous as you imply.

Well, there's Denmark. They got an exception from the European migration laws when they joined the EU.

Wait, are we still doing the Denmark thing? It's hard to keep up.

[David64]

Sure.

When you shot, you intended to harm or kill a human being. You had means, motive and opportunity. It's a slam dunk case.

Shooting someone does not de-escalate a situation, because after the fact, it is likely that someone ends up injured or killed, who was not injured or killed before. By shooting someone, even in defence, you have made the situation worse.

Also, in your country, firearms are extremely available. If you have one, then the home invaders will also likely be armed and if their intent was to cause you and your family harm, they will have their firearms loaded and out ready to use. However, you will be at a disadvantage because it is unlikely that you have your firearm similarly ready. So, if you attempt to get your gun out, it is just giving superior numbers of armed and ready to shoot assailants an excuse to shoot first. So in that situation, a firearm is not protective.

A strategic consideration of minimising harm to yourself or your family is to offer no resistance and to surrender replaceables in the hope that you would all be spared. You would have better survivability than in a gunfight where you are outgunned and ill prepared.

This also begs the question, if someone were coming to harm you or your family, what might you have done to motivate that? Were you involved in some sort of criminal activity that made the invaders think that you and your family were a likely target?

If the home invaders were motivated merely by robbery, have you considered just giving them some money so they would leave? If you are a normal person, you can earn more money. If you are wealthy, then you probably have significant fiscal resources that they can't touch, because they would be under investment or in a bank. How much money is worth the risk, to you and your family?

Also, in the moment, you are assuming that they are intending harm to you or your family, but how can you be really sure before you pull the trigger?

This is so delusional I'm not sure where to start.

When you shot, you intended to harm or kill a human being. You had means, motive and opportunity. It's a slam dunk case.

Maybe in your world. In mine that's called self defense and it's perfectly legal.
 

Shooting someone does not de-escalate a situation, because after the fact, it is likely that someone ends up injured or killed, who was not injured or killed before. By shooting someone, even in defence, you have made the situation worse.

I'm not looking to "de escalate the situation" I'm looking to stop an intruder from harming my family and if they die, that's on them for deciding to come through that door.

Also, in your country, firearms are extremely available. If you have one, then the home invaders will also likely be armed and if their intent was to cause you and your family harm, they will have their firearms loaded and out ready to use. However, you will be at a disadvantage because it is unlikely that you have your firearm similarly ready. So, if you attempt to get your gun out, it is just giving superior numbers of armed and ready to shoot assailants an excuse to shoot first. So in that situation, a firearm is not protective.

Glock 19 on my hip as we speak and is there from the time I get dressed in the morning till I go to sleep at night....and then it's on the nightstand within easy reach.

A strategic consideration of minimising harm to yourself or your family is to offer no resistance and to surrender replaceables in the hope that you would all be spared.

That may be the wimpiest shit I've ever heard.
 

This also begs the question, if someone were coming to harm you or your family, what might you have done to motivate that? Were you involved in some sort of criminal activity that made the invaders think that you and your family were a likely target?

I have a nice house and several nice cars and trucks, so they would probably be thinking I have nice stuff inside too.
 

If the home invaders were motivated merely by robbery, have you considered just giving them some money so they would leave?

That's the 2nd wimpiest shit I've ever heard.

Also, in the moment, you are assuming that they are intending harm to you or your family, but how can you be really sure before you pull the trigger?

If they kick my door in, I'm pretty f**ing sure they're not here to sell Girl Scout cookies.

[ANNEE]

You absolutely did not! Point me to your post where you gave links to reputable sources that gave you the figures you are asking about.
Yes, questions do...... hence the reason I asked you for the figures, instead of you posing questions and expecting others to go running around looking for the answers for you.
I don't have enough coloured crayons to explain this to you, but I'll waste one sentence and try........
If those are questions you are asking yourself, go and do your research, get the numbers, provide the evidence..... then pose your questions.
But I get it, you haven't yet mastered the art of adult debate/discussion yet.
"Where there is life, there is hope"

I'm not interested in being attacked by you.  Don't care if you believe me or not.

But I can tell you -- singing to the choir makes a dull discussion board.

[chr0naut]

There have been no military gestapo tactics, only direct response to an  organized and heavily foreign funded attempts to deport the very criminals, mostly illegal aliens who have set this entire money laundering system up and the international network for which it was designed to fund for government takeovers. It is now plainly visible that Milwaukee was the urban epicenter of this massive international crime ring that was stealing elections around the USA, and even the world.

Frankly, the Trump administration has been too tolerant and have not gone far enough. Governor Walz, Mayor Fray, and the attorney general all need to be arrested, as well as anyone else in any elected or appointed position who is radicalizing American citizens in a clear attempt to stoop the very Law Enforcement agency that is working to remove the fraudsters who help to fund this chaos. The fact this chaos has been localized to Milwaukee shows it was the last place where the money was still flowing.

What you are witnessing is the burning up of what fumes of financing are left for one last hoorah in an attempt to frame a morality narrative that  could not be further from the truth.

Elected officials are now on audio encouraging violence against law enforcement, former corrupt cops. There has to  be some irony in cop haters rallying around a dirty cop. Police corruption, the very source of hatred of law  enforcement. But now that officer Fanone who basically IMO is responsible for the ICU nurses death in addition to the nurse himself who for whatever reason believed that placing yourself to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation while being armed made any kind of sense.

All I ask for leftists who think that immigration law enforcement is not law enforcement is go try this exact same behavior every time you see a shop lifter get arrested at Wal-mart. Go with a gun on your hip, and try  to physically interject yourself into the arrest and impede officers and see where that goes.

The  ICE is not responding any differently to the execution of their lawful duties during an assault and obstruction by third parties as any American law enforcement would if any person attempted to interfere with  their lawful duties.

You tube is full of videos of drivers who have been shot trying to run over police, as well as suspects who have been shot after scuffling with officers and then trying to reach for their gun. 

There is a common denominator that the propaganda news loves to leave out every time with these reports. That the person shot not only interjected themselves into a law enforcement action with zero authorization or right to do so, but also behaving dangerously. Renee Good attempted to use her vehicle as a missile to assault a law enforcement officer doing his lawful duty. I don't care  who is driving, if I got a gun and someone is aiming their vehicle at me, I will also shoot the driver.

The case with the ICU nurse, again, what business, what right, what authorization did he have to interject himself into a law enforcement operation and become confrontational and commit to obstructing the jobs of the law enforcement officer?

We are past time negotiating with criminal Governors who have been brazenly caught in billions of dollars fraud scandal much of which is currently funding this unrest. They got to spend it now before  it is confiscated in hopes they can make a few  more out of context sound bytes and ten second clips for the mid terms elections.

Insurrection act now, the governor words essentially implicated him in dereliction of duty. The mayor as well. Both have explicitly given orders to their local and state level law enforcement to not only ignore the funded violent agitators being paid with the last bit of stolen tax money, but essentially have given orders to the very agitators to continue interfering with legitimate law enforcement activity. We also have to investigate the propaganda media role in inflaming tensions, especially with their intentionally omitting serious context in their stories designed to inflame and fanaticize a one sided diatribe of half truths and whole lies. The editors need to be investigated, the network executives as well. They are clearly and intentionally fomenting civil unrest and violence against law enforcement.

I think a temporary military takeover of Milwaukee is in order, dismissing the entire state apparatus and at  least the local level in Milwaukee. It has been overly corrupted and whoever the ringleader of this foreign funded internal coup setup Milwaukee to be the hub, the nexus if you will of all the criminals and their NGO's . Either that or it was just the last one to be exposed  and this is their Alamo, their last  stand. Either way, the entire nexus of the ACTBLUE/NGO/WEF criminal enterprise for stealing elections and pushing unpopular liberal European policies on America through domestic color revolutions will hopefully be nipped in the bud sometime by Memorial day. 

And BTW, these same foreign funded America hating NGO's are planning mass harassment demonstrations and potentially terrorism attacks during all the major holidays of import to America. Independence, Memorial Day, President's day and even veteran's Day. All you got to is  look at the calendar and know this, every holiday is a potential terrorist attack. Of  course it will be framed as a fight for justice every single time.
Hopefully the FBI and the intelligence community can stay on point.

But Milwaukee is for sure ready for insurrection act. Every shove of an officer should be an arrest. Every act of vandalism against property should be an arrest. Every attempt of a crowd to interrupt an arrest should lead to arrests of all involved.

Protesting means standing off to the side, not interjecting and interfering in law enforcement actions. Donald J Trump, listen to me and listen good. The state government is lost, the governor is a compromised criminal and must be arrested asap. The Mayor must also be arrested for his role in firing up citizens to commit acts of violence and interfere with law enforcement activities.

The  longer you allow this to go on, the weaker you look to world rivals. Like corrupt officials can just act with impunity to not only steal tax payer money, but then mobilize the residents against federal officials as if they were the Dukes and Bishops, or Princes and Princesses of their own non-aligned fiefdoms. The more hope you give to the Royal NAZIS of Europe that their funding campaigns to these NGO's filled with those who are easily led astray as well as just good old fashioned maniacs will give them enough leverage to regain control of America through their compromised governors and congressman.

I ask America, do you really want cross dressing pedophiles doing drag shows in every elementary school in America?? Do we want a government that rewards the violent offenders of crimes against innocent people by first considering the violent assaulters rights and feelings before the victim of unprovoked violence?? Milwaukee is a flashpoint because it became a hub and central nexus of organized crime and fraud, with the state and local governments having clearly been captured by the organized crime as their own attorney general is on audio promising to help cover up such crimes.
The governor has been blasted by a big chunk of his own administration for ignoring the systemic theft which was being reported to him, and even allegedly issued retaliation for exposing such things.

What is happening today in Milwaukee has very little to do with immigration, probably only 10 percent. it is all about an established corrupt political party who's illegal funding mechanism were uncovered and the play by play back tracking since last year has simply converged onto the state as likely one of the primary hubs of criminal activity. All like minded criminals were encouraged and even ordered to move there in an  effort to build up and fortify this monstrosity of racketeering and fraud. Therefore, you will see a higher  propensity of maniacs willing to throw their bodies on the line because they have spent years living off of taxpayer funded NGO's and now its drying up they dread the  idea of returning to normal society.

It will be a painful operation, but it must be done. The State of Minnesota will come out of better, like New York did in the fifties when the FBI had to clear out the Mob from so many infiltrated  positions within local and state government.

The mission must carry on, the vipers den must be fumigated.

Um, it's the state Minnesota where these shootings are, and where Walz is Governor, not Milwaukee, which is a city in the state of Wisconsin.

The force of arms actions (supposedly to arrest criminal and deviant non-citizens), against the local populations of citizens and non-citizens alike are exactly Gestapo tactics.

60%-75% of those detained by ICE have had had no conviction, even for minor crimes. Even in this case that prompted this thread, they were supposedly going to arrest a wife beater, something that they failed to do. ICE are not doing their job, that they are supposed to be doing. The actual outcomes speak for themselves.

The mandate of power under the US Constitution is with the people. There are 5.9 million people in Minnesota.

Government federal forces in the state are in the minority, by a long way, even if they sent in the armed forces.

The military take over of a state by the Federal government is contrary to the US Constitution and the views you have expressed are highly un-American and un-patriotic.

[ANNEE]

There have been no military gestapo tactics, . . .

Thank you for your opinion -- we are all entitled to our own opinions.

I don't agree with yours.

[Vermilion]

What election?? How is that anything to do with the thread??

We see all the Trump 'tards here saying he shouldn't have had a weapon, when it was his legal right to carry.  They were all defending Rittenhouse on ATS for walking around with an AR15!

The administration tried to say he came at the ICE agents armed with a drawn weapon and was shot, the videos show nothing of the sort. He had his arms raised and had protesters pushed at him, then thrown to the floor whilst being pistol whipped/butt stuck.
His gun unholstered and removed, then shot 10x.

We told you, and Kyle, that it was a stupid idea to do.
Kyle agrees, in hindsight.
Now just because the Kenosha Kid came out looking like a hero for ventilating a bunch of criminals and pedos, and for his spectacular aim and fantastic ability to stay within the law while doing so, doesn’t mean everyone should arm up looking for a fight.
It’s a dumb idea.
NRA will tell you the same and so will Kyle.

Why was that dumbass Pretti not carrying his carry license and ID with him as per law?
I know the answer, do you?

[Vermilion]

Thank you for your opinion -- we are all entitled to our own opinions.

I don't agree with yours.

You keep going on about gestapo tactics.
What exactly about their tactics makes them gestapo?

[DBCowboy]

The mandate of power under the US Constitution is with the people. There are 5.9 million people in Minnesota.

Government federal forces in the state are in the minority, by a long way, even if they sent in the armed forces.

The military take over of a state by the Federal government is contrary to the US Constitution and the views you have expressed are highly un-American and un-patriotic.

pffft

Where was this post during covid?