3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[DBCowboy]

I must be an old timer, if the cops or any federal agent were to tell me to put my hands up, I would do it.  Even when I was drinking I was always cooperative.  By resisting arrest you automatically make things worse, if you interfere with them arresting a person, you make it worse.  Are people that nuts nowadays that they believe it is sane or normal to be blocking law enforcement from doing their job. 

Take the fight to court, do not mess with the people who are just doing their job and trying to make it home after their shift ends.  This is way more insane than the protests back in the sixties and seventies by the hippies and my generation.  i Was part of some of those smaller protests locally, they were mostly peaceful, people who did try to cause trouble were on their own.  Yes, there were riots in some cities, and I wanted no part of those.  

After being in some of the protests I was in, I discovered that the reason for those protests were mostly personal, the instigators who started them had a personal gripe or in one case was a paid person to start a conflict to drive the locals to actually back the logging industry the protest was supposedly against.  It was a staged setup and some equipment was sabataged, I learned this from the person who got paid to do that, locals actually backed the loggers more after the protest too.

That person who got shot should not have done what he was doing.  Peacceful protests are legal, but that guy was not being peaceful and he should not have been carrying a gun with what was going on there...that put a target on his back...That was not a very smart thing to do.  I refrain from calling people dumb or stupid, I prefer to say they did something not very smart because even a smart person does stupid things sometimes.....Like me commenting on this thread right now.

Well stated.

So many, however, are trying to justify his actions and demonize law enforcement.

It's almost ideological.

[ANNEE]

He was interfering with law enforcement.

This particular law enforcement -- is NOT working.

The public is making it very clear that they do not support military gestapo type tactics.

How many actual illegals have they detained without killing anyone -- as in legal citizens?

How many legal citizens have they detained?  Even deported?

How many Native Americans need to get arrested?

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[DBCowboy]

This particular law enforcement -- is NOT working.

The public is making it very clear that they do not support military gestapo type tactics.

How many actual illegals have they detained without killing anyone -- as in legal citizens?

How many legal citizens have they detained?  Even deported?

How many Native Americans need to get arrested?

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There are other ways.

It's only "not working" in areas where people are against law enforcement and for protecting illegal alien pedo's etc.

[Kurokage]

I must be an old timer, if the cops or any federal agent were to tell me to put my hands up, I would do it.  Even when I was drinking I was always cooperative.  By resisting arrest you automatically make things worse, if you interfere with them arresting a person, you make it worse.  Are people that nuts nowadays that they believe it is sane or normal to be blocking law enforcement from doing their job. 

Take the fight to court, do not mess with the people who are just doing their job and trying to make it home after their shift ends.  This is way more insane than the protests back in the sixties and seventies by the hippies and my generation.  i Was part of some of those smaller protests locally, they were mostly peaceful, people who did try to cause trouble were on their own.  Yes, there were riots in some cities, and I wanted no part of those.  

After being in some of the protests I was in, I discovered that the reason for those protests were mostly personal, the instigators who started them had a personal gripe or in one case was a paid person to start a conflict to drive the locals to actually back the logging industry the protest was supposedly against.  It was a staged setup and some equipment was sabataged, I learned this from the person who got paid to do that, locals actually backed the loggers more after the protest too.

That person who got shot should not have done what he was doing.  Peacceful protests are legal, but that guy was not being peaceful and he should not have been carrying a gun with what was going on there...that put a target on his back...That was not a very smart thing to do.  I refrain from calling people dumb or stupid, I prefer to say they did something not very smart because even a smart person does stupid things sometimes.....Like me commenting on this thread right now.

After watching the videos several times. In the first instance demonstrators/protesters are shoved in his direction, he is recording with his phone in his right hand. He then tries to help the people up, coming between those being attacked and the ICE agents. He has his hands up and is peppered sprayed and is then wrestled to the ground by 5 agents attacking whilst being hit with the butt end of a gun. It's then his gun is taken and after shot 10 times.

[argentus]

 I must be an old timer, if the cops or any federal agent were to tell me to put my hands up, I would do it.  Even when I was drinking I was always cooperative.  By resisting arrest you automatically make things worse, if you interfere with them arresting a person, you make it worse.  Are people that nuts nowadays that they believe it is sane or normal to be blocking law enforcement from doing their job. 

Take the fight to court, do not mess with the people who are just doing their job and trying to make it home after their shift ends.  This is way more insane than the protests back in the sixties and seventies by the hippies and my generation.  i Was part of some of those smaller protests locally, they were mostly peaceful, people who did try to cause trouble were on their own.  Yes, there were riots in some cities, and I wanted no part of those.  

After being in some of the protests I was in, I discovered that the reason for those protests were mostly personal, the instigators who started them had a personal gripe or in one case was a paid person to start a conflict to drive the locals to actually back the logging industry the protest was supposedly against.  It was a staged setup and some equipment was sabataged, I learned this from the person who got paid to do that, locals actually backed the loggers more after the protest too.

That person who got shot should not have done what he was doing.  Peacceful protests are legal, but that guy was not being peaceful and he should not have been carrying a gun with what was going on there...that put a target on his back...That was not a very smart thing to do.  I refrain from calling people dumb or stupid, I prefer to say they did something not very smart because even a smart person does stupid things sometimes.....Like me commenting on this thread right now.

 

 TLDR version of the following:   Never oppose LEOs.   It won't end well for you, regardless of your innocence. 

I too, participated in several protests.   Those that leaned toward violence or destruction, I leaned away from and made good my escape from the situation.    For me, all my 68 years, the purpose of protest has been to express dissent toward a particular facet of the status quo.   Thus, I was part of sometimes huge groups of people expressing displeasure.   There is this thing, though.......   it makes me sad and disappointed in humanity .....   many times, if not MOST times where I've been in large groups of protestors, it eventually melted down into violence of some form.   I wondered at the time if there weren't just people who didn't give a shit about the protest, but enjoyed taking advantage of the crowds to "wild".   I think it likely.  Now, we even have evidence occasionally of 'agent provocateurs'  AKA  PAID performers.  

I can recall a "peaceful, lawful assembly" near the Hall of Justice on Bryant, where a group of us found ourselves in the uncomfortable position of supporting the free speech rights of the KKK.   The opposition folk wanted to inflict damage on them, and hell, so did I, but we thought that was exactly what the [expletive] wanted.   They had dutifully filed for assembly permit, and toned their microphones down to the acceptable noise nuisance ordinance level, and thus had a Constitutionally-protectected right to assemble.   It was a mess.  I vowed to never put myself in that position again; if people gonna lose their shit and riot, don't be part of it.   

In case you are wondering, the last time I participated in a peaceful protest was five years ago.   Nobody got hurt.   The protest probably didn't change anything, except to make the presumed offending party more aware of their need to hide their nasty works.  

Like you, even if convinced of my innocence, if a LEO orders me to do something, I will comply.   If I am to cause trouble with the situation, it will be later, when I'm safely protected by legal representation.  I don't mean that any of the people killed deserved it.   Not even close.   It shouldn't have happened.   What I mean is that -- from what I can tell -- they were culpable in their own demise.

[RazorV66]

it takes aggression and physicality to pursue and apprehend criminals.

someone said; most of us sleep peacefully at night because strong men capable of violence are protecting us.

these 'military type gangs' are preventing us from turning into Haiti.

and the 'Gestapo' reference is hateful.   ICE is the good guys.   people like ICE are the reason we DON'T have Gestapo in the USA.

You will never get the "I am not a Liberal" crowd to believe that.

ICE hurts their fragile feelings.

[SteamyAmerican]

If you think that, what you're asking for is either a lawless nation, or for ICE to engage with local law enforcement (one way or another).

In fact, not a nation at all any more, as the established "law of the nation" will have been overridden by state whim, and that is the fundamental thing that binds a union. It's no exaggeration so say that if federal law becomes subordinate to state action, there is no more USA.

But do keep up your cheerfully bald-faced optimism.

Actually that’s rather spooky, and no I hadn’t even thought of that at all.

What I was implying is how I cannot see this playing well for the USA.

[ANNEE]

Actually that’s rather spooky, and no I hadn’t even thought of that at all.

What I was implying is how I cannot see this playing well for the USA.

This will not age well.

[marshun]

This particular law enforcement -- is NOT working.

actually they are taking bad guys into custody.  Democrat interference is not helping.

The public is making it very clear that they do not support military gestapo type tactics.

a handful of rioters, many of them outsiders getting paid, are protesting.
how do you arrest violent criminals?  just walk up and Mirandize them?

How many actual illegals have they detained without killing anyone -- as in legal citizens?

Secretary Noem estimates 10,000
https://nypost.com/2026/01/19/us-news/kr...criminals/

How many legal citizens have they detained?  Even deported?

as far as I know, none.

How many Native Americans need to get arrested?

as far as I know, none.

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"Evis Peguero-Cotarelo, a criminal illegal alien from Cuba convicted for first-degree murder with a deadly weapon/attempt in Miami-Dade County, Florida."

wouldn't you want weapons and body armor if you were sent to take someone like this into custody?

[SteamyAmerican]

This will not age well.

Oh?

Please explain how? Because the current course seems untenable. The American public will not stand for executing citizens every other week for the rest of Trump’s term.

And when I imply they can “kill with impunity while doing their job”. Who is going to turn them in and say “now you stop that right now!”? DHS? Trump? The Cartels? Certainly not local LEOs, nor the local sheriff.

And no, I don’t know how this plays out, but it’s just getting started; it’s already super dark.