3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[putnam6]

Just gamble with the lives of others.

Got it.

It’s starting to make sense now why the most American 1A activity should be met with lethal force. No questions asked.

:/

Im not gleeful that both these activists are now dead, it's disengenious to portray my post as cavalier about any of it

LEOs gamble with thier lives every day

Im hearing reports that Pretti was repeatedly told to exit the street. Pretti chose to engage LEOs while he was armed; at that point, it's customary for a legal carry person to inform officers he is armed

If Pretti did this, it's a whole different dynamic. Speaking of dynamics, Minnesota is making these legal raids more chaotic  

In other news, Metro Atlanta carries out numerous ICE/CBP raids the last 3 weeks with minimal protests or incidents.

[SteamyAmerican]

Im not gleeful that both these activists are now dead, it's disengenious to portray my post as cavalier about any of it

LEOs gamble with thier lives every day

Upon hearing reports, Pretti was repeatedly told to exit the street. Pretti chose to engage LEOs while he was armed; at that point, it's customary for a legal carry person to inform officers he is armed

if Pretti did this, it's a whole different dynamic. Speaking of dynamics, Minnesota is making these legal raids more chaotic  

In other news, Metro Atlanta carries out numerous ICE/CBP raids with minimal protests or incidents.

No offense meant to you. Not personally. And you’re not wrong. The last line just hits different.

i just need everyone to hold their respective political lines and leanings when it’s 3 dead in every state. Cool with that?

And no. Not everyone protesting has good intentions. Some have, are now, and will continue to call for violence on both sides. Yet when ICE is there to “do their job” and these “misguided folks” get to close the fray, they’re met with pepper spray, flash bangs, and live rounds.

And hell f’ing no am I gonna believe anything the government says. CYA is what they do yeah? They’re gonna have to start doin the Israel thing and scrub videos just so sleuths like you and I can’t have a proper opinion on what has/has not occurred. Is that cool with you?

This isn’t going away. And it isn’t being de-escalated. By anyone unfortunately.

I again just try to hold the middle. And we are a country of laws or not.

But watching federal cops slay US citizens is wild. And I don’t approve.

Thats all.

ETA: this ain’t a “Minnesota” thing either. Trump is calling the shots. They seem to be at cities he deems political rivals. Pretty sure these illegals ain’t all in Minnesota.

Only 19.95M illegals to go and all…..

[UltraBudgie]

Okey-doke. Speaking of nuance. Here we go.

If everyone that shows up, peaceful or not, for whatever reason is an anarchist.
[...]

Yes. Things are what they are, let's not paint with a broad brush. I am not referring to people who are merely making their voices heard, I am talking about those who have abandoned political advocacy in favour of extremism.

You may have noticed at the end of one of the videos, someone who was filming Alex Pretti saying something like they were going to need a "response team". They're not referring to law enforcement. The groups these people belong to, such as Nicole Good with ICEWatch, are being revealed. Here is an interesting thread:


https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093523733733474

Minneapolis man killed by federal agents was in neighbourhood ICE watch group

Jeanne Massey, who lives just one block away from Alex Pretti, said he was a member of their neighbourhood's 'Signal ICE' group chat, which is used to rapidly respond to reports of ICE agents in the area

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/mi...s-36609882

[SteamyAmerican]

Yes. Things are what they are, let's not paint with a broad brush. I am not referring to people who are merely making their voices heard, I am talking about those who have abandoned political advocacy in favour of extremism.

You may have noticed at the end of one of the videos, someone who was filming Alex Pretti saying something like they were going to need a "response team". They're not referring to law enforcement. The groups these people belong to, such as Nicole Good with ICEWatch, are being revealed. Here is an interesting thread:

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...594974.png]
https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093523733733474

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/mi...s-36609882

This is fair. But also this.. I ain’t the one making broad strokes here.

If these people are actively trying to impede federal agents, do them harm even, then by all means apprehend them.

By all means.

But to call everyone protesting what is happening as Anarchists, isn’t all that fair either.

I don’t believe ICE answers to anyone really. Prison guards/IDF let loose on the streets with minimal crowd-control training and firearms seems a poor choice of operational agents.

Please advise.

[WallFlowerActive]

Things are what they are, please don't paint with a broad brush. I am not referring to people who are merely making their voices heard, I am talking about those who have abandoned political advocacy in favour of extremism.

I was thinking.  Isn’t this just the BLM playbook rehashed.  Black men were supposedly being killed because of systemic racism?  Look at the millions poured into BLM and how much they pushed for what I guess is revolution.  Then it fell flat.  It was built on a lie and political greed.


 Now, the Minnesota protesters are trying to push for revolution again.  Don’t get me wrong, it’s a crapy situation.  But the Minnesota protesters are guilty of extremism and breaking multiply laws. All for political greed.  And it all stems from abuse of the immigration system.  Where ICE is targeting some of the worse criminals out of the illegal aliens.  Where you would think Minneapolis authorities would like to seek some justice and want to remove these criminals for the safety of the community. 

I’m not rally big on right out government authority (covid was the worse), but you look at the protesters in Minneapolis, and I’m just like WTF, Is this how a civil society works.  Just run as a mob?  Interfere with law enforcement and risk your like because they are going after illegal aliens with a record of domestic assault.

[UltraBudgie]

Please advise.

Wish I had an easy answer. Politicians who want to leverage illegal immigrants and chaos seem to have done their best to block every avenue of law enforcement possible, from sanctuary cities to ordering police department standdowns to objecting to everything wherever possible in the courts to get temporary injunctions that are then overturned, to turning a blind eye to extremist groups stalking and doxxing law enforcement agents. They seem to want to make the laws unenforceable. I'm surprised ICE was able to get a funding increase through Congress, so at least that's something. Thank goodness some still have the spine to not just give up and let them make this a lawless nation.

[WallFlowerActive]

But to call everyone protesting what is happening as Anarchists, isn’t all that fair either.

And yet. Here we are.  People on the left in mass cheering on extremism labeled as protesters.  Where there is an ugly mess to clean up from the Biden administration.  Where extremists and Minnesota officials are more about protecting illegal aliens with criminal and often violent histories at the expense of justice for victims and a double whammy on public safety from violent interference with ICE and shielding the illegal aliens with often violent histories.

[UltraBudgie]

I was thinking.  Isn’t this just the BLM playbook rehashed.  Black men were supposedly being killed because of systemic racism?  Look at the millions poured into BLM and how much they pushed for what I guess is revolution.  Then it fell flat.  It was built on a lie and political greed.


 Now, the Minnesota protesters are trying to push for revolution again.  Don’t get me wrong, it’s a crapy situation.  But the Minnesota protesters are guilty of extremism and breaking multiply laws. All for political greed.  And it all stems from abuse of the immigration system.  Where ICE is targeting some of the worse criminals out of the illegal aliens.  Where you would think Minneapolis authorities would like to seek some justice and want to remove these criminals for the safety of the community. 

I’m not rally big on right out government authority (covid was the worse), but you look at the protesters in Minneapolis, and I’m just like WTF, Is this how a civil society works.  Just run as a mob?  Interfere with law enforcement and risk your like because they are going after illegal aliens with a record of domestic assault.

Yeah. It's not a new playbook. I found some images from a Minnesota ICEWatch handbook and posted them in the thread that is now closed:

This post: https://denyignorance.com/Thread-New-vid...#pid121853



Parse the last paragraph on that image. The "more affective rupture" bit.

Now, I'm not saying they're all like that—I think it's an inner-circle outer-circle useful idiot kind of thing—but a heck of a lot of them are, and they seem to be the ones making news. Things made more sense when I realized that.

And for many of them, the illegal alien thing is just an excuse.

[SteamyAmerican]

Wish I had an easy answer. Politicians who want to leverage illegal immigrants and chaos seem to have done their best to block every avenue of law enforcement possible, from sanctuary cities to ordering police department standdowns to objecting to everything wherever possible in the courts to get temporary injunctions that are then overturned, to turning a blind eye to extremist groups stalking and doxxing law enforcement agents. They seem to want to make the laws unenforceable. I'm surprised ICE was able to get a funding increase through Congress, so at least that's something. Thank goodness some still have the spine to not just give up and let them make this a lawless nation.

Eh. Not bad. But we are all missing the point to a degree here.

See if you held the companies and corporations to the letter of the law as it states about hiring practices and such, it might’ve alleviated this issue for the last quarter century or so.

AND

if we were allowed to know why/how this happened and who was pushing for the mass immigration to all the West, we might’ve been able to circumvent all this.

Again. Alas. It’ll be like the South Park episode where Ned goes hunting and they yell 

“They were comin’ right for us!” every time an American is murdered by ICE.

Speaking of which. If ICE & Uncle Sam have the moral high ground, then act like it. No?

[SteamyAmerican]

And yet. Here we are.  People on the left in mass cheering on extremism labeled as protesters.  Where there is an ugly mess to clean up from the Biden administration.  Where extremists and Minnesota officials are more about protecting illegal aliens with criminal and often violent histories at the expense of justice for victims and a double whammy on public safety from violent interference with ICE and shielding the illegal aliens with often violent histories.

I mean I know like 20M Americans with violent histories.

But yeah. That’s a stretch. Criminals by virtue of breaking the law of the US border? Yeah.

“…with often violent histories”? Yeah. Not so much. Quite debatable.

Again. Not entirely disagreeing out of hand.

But then I don’t know anyone killed by an illegal or ICE.

Might tip the scale a bit? The again I haven’t been asked for my papers either yet….