Israel Ministers sanctioned by UK, AU, CA, NZ

[FlyersFan]

Hamas were acting to free the Palestinian people from Israeli occupation and oppression which has been a long history between the two. Were they acting out of desperation?

Mass murder of Israeli civilians including children ... burning families alive ... mass rape of both men and women, and the rape before and after death ... sexual mutilation of the bodies with gunshots to breasts and vaginas and penis' being cut off ....  yeah, that's the Hamas version of 'freedom fighting'.

[andy06shake]

Spike missiles are primarily an antitank missile fired from shoulder, wheeled / tracked vehicles, that has also has a helicopter variant.

Where antipersonnel rounds are usually large area effect fragmentation weapons in the realm of buckshot.  

Those are undeniable facts.

Now, were there any Israeli assets in the rage of the spike missile variant supposedly used.  Backed by what radar data. Consistent with what actual damage.

So that's your evidence. LoL

Because it looks like an anecdote. 

Again, actual news agencies and people who know what they are talking about have already shown where the attack came from and by whom. 

You have squat and provide nothing but opinions as opposed to actual facts. 

You also plainly refuse to answer simple questions.

Learn to reciprocate properly please.

[UltraBudgie]

whats the point

[quintessentone]

Mass murder of Israeli civilians including children ... burning families alive ... mass rape of both men and women, and the rape before and after death ... sexual mutilation of the bodies with gunshots to breasts and vaginas and penis' being cut off ....  yeah, that's the Hamas version of 'freedom fighting'.

Do you really want my rebuttal as to the freedom fighting tactics of the Israeli forces?

[andy06shake]

It's an example of how they lie because they claimed Israel air bombed a hospital and killed 500 civilians, but Hamas knew it was one of their own rockets and it landed in the parking lot killing 50.  But they lied in a PR stunt and got useful idiots around the world to believe them.

Well, if they did they were caught out pretty quickly, considering it took less than 24 hours to establish the attack never came from Israel.

But yeah, terrorist organizations lie.

Doesn't mean that 2.1 million people should pay the price or have their human rights disregarded or overlooked.

[UltraBudgie]

Well, if they did they were caught out pretty quickly, considering it took less than 24 hours to establish the attack never came from Israel

woah not so fast there bucko i'm still pretty suspicious that ireael's story is bs
https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1714775482283991172

at the larger scope, it's a matter of narrowing the huge number of human rights violations down to a single example which has been propagandized and spun to all hell, arguing intractably about that one thing without giving an inch of concessions, then pretending that means all accusations are invalid and have been disproven...

[andy06shake]

woah not so fast there bucko i'm still pretty suspicious that ireael's story is bs
https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1714775482283991172

at the larger scope, it's a matter of narrowing the huge number of human rights violations down to a single example which has been propagandized and spun to all hell, arguing intractably about that one thing without giving an inch of concessions, then pretending that means all accusations are invalid and have been disproven...

The hospital incident, i thought it was established to be a misfired Hamas rocket.

But i dont claim to conclusively know that for a fact, i  recall the evidence seemed to support it at the time.

Like you suggest, all the same, Israel has gone on to hit the hospital in question on numerous other occasions way past 2023.

[WallFlowerActive]

And the damage was found to be consistent with Israeli drone-fired munitions like the Spike missile.

The spike missile is primarily a shoulder or wheeled / tracked vehicle launched that has a variant adapted for helicopters.  Where I don’t remember seeing lots of reports of Isreal using large drones firing missiles like the spike in 2023.  Where it needs to be shown why the Israelis would deploy an antitank weapon.  If it was an anti personnel warhead, the usually fragment for a large area of coverage.  They don’t leave “bomb craters”.

So.  How was the spike missile deployed, any proof of an Israeli asset in range, and why would the Israelis deployed a platform with a spike missile primarily used as antitank. Any proof of what spike variant was supposedly deployed.

[andy06shake]

The spike missile is primarily a shoulder or wheeled / tracked vehicle launched that has a variant adapted for helicopters.  Where I don’t remember seeing lots of reports of Isreal using large drones firing missiles like the spike in 2023.  Where it needs to be shown why the Israelis would deploy an antitank weapon.  If it was an anti personnel warhead, the usually fragment for a large area of coverage.  They don’t leave “bomb craters”.

So.  How was the spike missile deployed, any proof of an Israeli asset in range, and why would the Israelis deployed a platform with a spike missile primarily used as antitank. Any proof of what spike variant was supposedly deployed.

The drone could merely have been a spotter.

I gave the reports from noteworthy sources.

If you actually choose to read them, im sure they may answer your questions better than I, after all, I was not there, same as yourself.  

Plenty of people were all the same, and their accounts evidence.

[WallFlowerActive]

I gave the reports from noteworthy sources.

Really.  Because I can across a BBC article from oct 2023 that claimed they would continue the investigation.  What happened there
 
Your sources remind me of 9/11 truthers.  When there was clear evidence there wan no explosives, then they shifted to thermite.  Because you with confirmation bias can in your mind make an oversized square peg fit in a round hole doesn’t mean “evidence”.

from wiki 

Attacks on Palestinians evacuating Gaza CityMissile attacks13 October
Although there are disputes about the exact details of the attacks, a number of sources attribute responsibility to an Israeli missile strike.[sup][4][/sup][sup][5][/sup][sup][14][/sup] When analysing video footage of the event, the Financial Times reported that it "appears to rule out most explanations aside from an Israeli strike."[sup][5][/sup] British Army major and munitions expert Chris Cobb-Smith stated that a missile was the most likely cause of the explosions seen in the videos. Another munitions expert, Desmond Travers, considered an Israeli attack to be the most plausible explanation, although he did not rule out other possible explanations.[sup][5][/sup]
Other sources, including the BBC, reported the event without suggesting the responsible party,[sup][15][/sup] and some sources pointed to the absence of airstrike signatures in photographed material, suggesting roadside bombings.[sup][16][/sup] Israel directly accused Hamas of blocking Palestinian evacuation, in order to use them as "human shields".[sup][16][/sup]

Attacks on Palestinians evacuating Gaza City - Wikipedia

Quite the spectrum of opinions based on obvious lack of evidence.  But your source magically produced “evidence”.  Maybe you need to edit the wiki and see how long it lasts?  The page is protected from vandalism.  I’m guessing your source isn’t as solid as you think, and is more speculation than fact.