10-05-2025, 11:10 AM
(10-04-2025, 06:02 AM)UKTRUTH Wrote: Sorry - but nutcases who take protests beyond the law SHOULD face consequences all the way up to lethal force depending on how far beyond peaceful protest they want to take it.
That is not authoritarian - that is civil society.
You seem to have just got comfortable with a false notion that people can break the law when protesting. I applaud the use of force against citizens who do not understand they are not allowed to act violently when protesting.
Its not complicated to understand at all - ICE's job is to remove illegal aliens and there is no constitutional authority for any state or city to call themselves a 'sanctuary' and override federal law.
People need to accept that and stop trying to interfere with a lawful process of removing illegals from the country.
I agree with many of those points.
ICE has a job to do, whether people like it or not, this is one of the major issues voted on. There is no question there is an illegal immigrant problem in the US, and it hurts both our country, and many of the immigrants who end up being exploited.
For people who violently interfere with that, I agree that's illegal and they should be arrested.
The issues I start to have is when people lose sight of how rights are supposed to be weighed. Individual>State>Federal. This is why the political compass is not just left and right. It is also authoritarian and libertarian.
Sadly, many who used to champion individual and state rights over federal, and trying to lessen the power of the federal government are happy to wield it now that they're in power. And while it may not be as alarming as many claim it is now with hyperbole, this is all a foundation.
The military is mainly just present. In most cases, they can't intervein due to posse comitatus. But, people are becoming desensitized to their mere presence, and it's becoming normal. I can appreciate the notion that in some places, crime is a large problem. There are cities I wouldn't go to. But I don't think federal military is the right tool for the mission. For one, our police is already a problem in some places. I think a lot of that is lack of training, and being underpaid. They don't know the laws they're supposed to enforce. Soldiers know far less than that, at best they get a couple weeks training.
The problem is, if these kinds of reactions become normalized, eventually someone will abuse them. That's just history of power, and people in power. The whole point of a lot of our constitution is to prevent that from even being a possibility, which is one of the reasons we have the 2nd amendment.
