02-16-2025, 07:45 AM
This post was last modified 02-16-2025, 07:58 AM by quintessentone. Edited 1 time in total. 
(02-15-2025, 04:23 PM)putnam6 Wrote: LOL take a breath, do you know how long the negotiations took on the Vietnam war? It took years...
The US is the arbitrator to get them to sit down and talk. No more no less
All you are doing is speculating scenarios, you spoke of Europe being included but isn't needed yet. Ukraine will be included. All The US is doing is trying to get them to AGREE TO sit down and talk. ONCE they begin talking then will will see where it goes.
Everything else is leftist paranoid speculation and after 3 years of hearing this, it's tiresome. Russia is gonna take over Europe, seriously they are dying to get out of Ukraine and save face they are in no shape to go after any other countries.
Ukraine doesn't have to sign or agree to any settlement they don't want, they can fight Russia forever. The EU and UK can fight Russia forever
They just won't get 100 billion-plus support from the US. Right or wrong the American people voted on the BORDER and the BUDGET. Ukraine falls under the budget aspect
That doesn't mean the US is or will abandon NATO or Ukraine, all Trump wants is for the EU/UK to pay more of its fair share for the security of Europe this is the beginning of negotiations for that as well.
If all Trump wants is for the EU to pay more of its fair share why get involved in this war at all? Isn't the U.S. war machine needing to make weapons sales to top up the GDP?
The U.S. arbitration is a non-starter because Ukraine won't give up any territory or concessions no matter what and the U.S. is saying that to move forward Ukraine must give up something while Putin does not have to give up anything.
As for my breathing rate, I know you can only imagine my demeanour while I post, but believe me it's steady and strong and the only time I hold my breath is when I am doing my yoga breathing. lol
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