01-17-2025, 02:42 PM
This post was last modified 01-17-2025, 02:43 PM by quintessentone. Edited 2 times in total. 
(01-17-2025, 08:02 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "Surely you know by now that anything they say, that the opposite is true-;same goes for most governments.
I have the most issue with ' Psaki denied Washington was trying to meddle or engineer a particular outcome in Kiev.'
You think the Orange revolution so called was truly home grown and in no way fomented or formed by US NGOs?
Question 2: Do you think this current Ukraine Russia conflict is a proxy war , or is it 100% poor old Ukraine being invaded by big mad Vlad?"
I don't think it would have needed much, if any fomenting.
As for being a proxy war, the West didn't start it.
Depends on your definition of what is a "proxy war" is.
The West is of course giving aid to Ukraine.
I am fully aware that these things are nuanced and not black and white.
Hey, Oldcarpy2, just seeing U.K. (Starmer) and Ukraine signed 100-year partnership. It seems to me that Ukraine no longer needs to be a part of N.A.T.O. Just saying.
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