01-16-2025, 11:02 AM
(01-15-2025, 04:18 AM)Freeborn Wrote: It's certainly not a proxy war as far as Russia is concerned, they are quite openly conducting a war of invasion on a non-threatening neighbour whose independence they were sworn to respect and protect. They are using Russian forces - supplemented by North Korean troops and African mercenaries - and Russian equipment - although increasingly reliant on supplies and armaments from those paragons of virtue Iran and North Korea.
Nothing 'proxy' about any of that.
Yes, the UK/US/NATO have supplied arms and training etc but no boots on the ground actually engaged with Russian forces.
The UK and US were also sworn to protect and respect Ukraine independence and its borders, that is what they are doing......honouring their word. (Obviously its not quite as simplistic as that.....but true nonetheless.)
If Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine none of this would be happening.
It really is as simple as that.
You don't know what to tell me?
Try not 'telling' me anything and try discussing, debating and even dare I say considering alternative opinions?
I have to keep it brief but it is a proxy war, because the only reason Russia invaded was due to NATO and in particular US meddling in Ukraine affairs, as well as Ukrainian government bombing it's own citizens of Russian descent in the Eastern provinces. Of course Russia will use those as excuses to invade, but you have to understand that if Victoria 'fuck the EU' Neuland and her ilk had not been playing at Maidan Colour Revolution Regime Change game, then I highly doubt Russia would have militarily invaded.
It is the very definition of a proxy war, as Russia felt squeezed by NATO expansion, if not on paper, than in deed.