Trump Neurosis Thread

[quintessentone]

Maybe, maybe not. Hasn't the chat been deleted?

Even if true, and you seem happy to believe a CIA spook, it certainly was "sensitive".

Come on man, this is a major cock up and shows sheer incompetence on the part of key. Trump appointees.

Spin your way out of that!

Every time I watch Trump and his appointees in a meeting it reminds me of the Celebrity Apprentice meetings and I am not joking.

[Maxmars]

Wondering if at some level there's involved groups that no longer see FVEY ("Five Eyes": UK, USA, CAN, AUS, NZ) as necessary any more. After all, it started as UK-USA -- a transatlantic "lifting of the kimono", intelligence sharing by agencies restricted somewhat in their own domestic activities. "You spy on us, we'll spy on you, and we'll share data with each other". A workaround.

But hasn't that been what Silicon Valley and the digital panopticon has been working for years towards? Domestic surveillance is now privatized, to a large extent, with downstream data collected far more efficiently via ubiquitous electronic device, and shared through an aggregation and analysis ecosystem. Trunk capture is handled domestically, too, with legal FISA workaround -- "it's not spying if we don't peek".

So what does FVEY do any more, anyway? Sure UK has some expertise. But that's easily grokked, haha. And what's with the Canada thing? Are we seeing actual fractures in the Anglosphere, or is this just posturing? What's the agenda?

I suspect that "Five Eyes" primarily manifests as the ability to spy on your own citizens via "FVEY allies" who can do it without breaking our laws, and then share the information with us.

That is most definitely not how it started... but that's probably where we are today.

It's not about "foreign" intelligence anymore, except that it is.... technically.

And most citizens are none the wiser...

[putnam6]

I suspect that "Five Eyes" primarily manifests as the ability to spy on your own citizens via "FVEY allies" who can do it without breaking our laws, and then share the information with us.

That is most definitely not how it started... but that's probably where we are today.

It's not about "foreign" intelligence anymore, except that it is.... technically.

And most citizens are none the wiser...

The problem with that arises when you get rogue elements of foreign intelligence under the guise of "FVEY allies" and "leak" manufactured or exaggerated evidence while dismissing real evidence based on which political party has a majority in the US.

All it takes is motivated power brokers spoon-feeding this intelligence rumor/ information to willing and obedient MSM and you can turn any rumor in the intelligence sphere into actionable "evidence".

"Russian Collusion" was foreign-manufactured DNC approved and the Hunter laptop conformation was completely whitewashed and dismissed.

[sahgwa]

This all goes back to the lack of trust in any governing or Official Institution.
They have proven time and time again they make things up out of whole cloth and cite 'sources' and 'intelligence heads agree'
When all along, it's either manufactured, or coerced for money, or downright criminals and liars protecting criminals and liars. 
Trust no one!
That's why anyone in this day and age who can be rabidly partisan and even scream about it , really just baffles my mind.  Maybe I am just simple minded.

[Maxmars]

I think the first problem actually begins when we blithely accept the 'principle' that "media" ever "reports evidence."

Those days of true journalism are done and gone.

But make no mistake, there was a time when "military" and "government" reporting was done with an element of pride hinging on it's certainty and unbiased usefulness.  But that kind of reporting discipline as an entirely professional standard was lost.  
Five Eyes was a experiment that worked during tense wartime... during wartime it worked.

Politicians flooded the media with their "dire need" to have input in military and diplomatic channels... then unbiased information was forever diminished, and as we have seen in commerce and "entertainment," the integrity and actual value of the information we were using flatlined...  suddenly you have to know the mindset and opinion of the reporter or reporting editorial agenda to determine the reporting value... the game of "pretending" and "appearances" rolled into what was intended to be factual, non-biased, data...  and here we are... the problem now manifesting in all five-eyes intelligence networks. 

Suddenly, all reporting, even official has become the land of "appearances" and "influence" first and factual information is only a "filler" to legitimize the 'operation.'  Hence... the usefulness of staging "leaks" became the political/diplomatic nod to how much of our leadership machinations is just a "game show."

Since I'm waxing cynical... I think there is no MSM... only a singular, now massive, business combine driven by government-sized entities to 'influence' and 'drive' populations behavior.

MSM existed when there was competition... there is none anymore... they are all "apparently" one beast... and they are not 'serving' us at all... but they are constantly feeding.

[putnam6]

This all goes back to the lack of trust in any governing or Official Institution.
They have proven time and time again they make things up out of whole cloth and cite 'sources' and 'intelligence heads agree'
When all along, it's either manufactured, or coerced for money, or downright criminals and liars protecting criminals and liars. 
Trust no one!
That's why anyone in this day and age who can be rabidly partisan and even scream about it , really just baffles my mind.  Maybe I am just simple minded.

Completely understandable all I am is hopeful Trump can get the economy rolling and give me enough time to recover from the last 5 years, was hopeful for the same under Biden.

but Im at that time where Im running out of physical work years

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I realized why I dislike this administration.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/media/npr...index.html

While I have no problem with kicking NPR and PBS to the curb, as will likely happen, why do we need the constant glass houses with everything done?

It's long been known NPR is a lot of liberal nonsense. I used to try to listen to it but just can't. The left tune into to CNN and may listen to NPR on Sirius or something. But if you have BBC you don't need NPR.

Just this stuff:

Taylor-Greene opened Wednesday’s DOGE subcommittee by branding PBS and NPR “radical left-wing echo chambers” before accusing the public broadcasters of “grooming and sexualizing” children, using DEI for news standards and listener demographics, and wasting taxpayer dollars.

This woman. You know, Marjorie, the woke stuff was intended to help people admit who they were at one point, I dont know if you realized that?

Letting the apex repression example lead with phobia to strip NPR and PBS of the funding with such condemnation tells me this really is the Pot/Kettle Administration.

While my heart won't ache for any lost liberal multiculturalism and stories of woke teens, the hypocrisy is just epic.

While conservative media isn't publicly funded, the idea of a Fox News darling calling out echo-chambers in media is just too much.

It's scary because it really can't acknowledge the electron/positron thing that is going on. For the grand balance states for every Breitbart there will be An Atlantic. For every CNN there will be a Fox. So shall they live in harmony to cancel each-other out.

But at least acknowledge the zero-sum game they represent.

[sahgwa]

I realized why I dislike this administration.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/media/npr...index.html

While I have no problem with kicking NPR and PBS to the curb, as will likely happen, why do we need the constant glass houses with everything done?

It's long been known NPR is a lot of liberal nonsense. I used to try to listen to it but just can't. The left tune into to CNN and may listen to NPR on Sirius or something. But if you have BBC you don't need NPR.

Just this stuff:



This woman. You know, Marjorie, the woke stuff was intended to help people admit who they were at one point, I dont know if you realized that?

Letting the apex repression example lead with phobia to strip NPR and PBS of the funding with such condemnation tells me this really is the Pot/Kettle Administration.

While my heart won't ache for any lost liberal multiculturalism and stories of woke teens, the hypocrisy is just epic.

While conservative media isn't publicly funded, the idea of a Fox News darling calling out echo-chambers in media is just too much.

It's scary because it really can't acknowledge the electron/positron thing that is going on. For the grand balance states for every Breitbart there will be An Atlantic. For every CNN there will be a Fox. So shall they live in harmony to cancel each-other out.

But at least acknowledge the zero-sum game they represent.

Most of us came to the conclusion that the uber left or right partisan stuff was both stupid and annoying, and sure we need balance, but balance in nature takes time; I think rather than view this as only Right wing media surviving or not being targeted, its just the ol' swinging of pendulum to the others side, as is natural.
We haven't reached the point where it stops in the middle yet I don't know if we ever will.
It's always just action reaction left right ad nauseum.

Any attempt for a nonpartisan or third way discourse is drown out with emotional hyperbole on either side. I think that's just the way Earth is designed.

I like my state public radio, they dont really talk they just play classical music.  But then they do interject NPR news every so often, which is when I (and I imagine others) turn it off.

[Oldcarpy2]

I realized why I dislike this administration.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/media/npr...index.html

While I have no problem with kicking NPR and PBS to the curb, as will likely happen, why do we need the constant glass houses with everything done?

It's long been known NPR is a lot of liberal nonsense. I used to try to listen to it but just can't. The left tune into to CNN and may listen to NPR on Sirius or something. But if you have BBC you don't need NPR.

Just this stuff:



This woman. You know, Marjorie, the woke stuff was intended to help people admit who they were at one point, I dont know if you realized that?

Letting the apex repression example lead with phobia to strip NPR and PBS of the funding with such condemnation tells me this really is the Pot/Kettle Administration.

While my heart won't ache for any lost liberal multiculturalism and stories of woke teens, the hypocrisy is just epic.

While conservative media isn't publicly funded, the idea of a Fox News darling calling out echo-chambers in media is just too much.

It's scary because it really can't acknowledge the electron/positron thing that is going on. For the grand balance states for every Breitbart there will be An Atlantic. For every CNN there will be a Fox. So shall they live in harmony to cancel each-other out.

But at least acknowledge the zero-sum game they represent.

How do you feel about Voice of America?

Errrm...not the Sammy Hagar album.....

[AngryOldBrewer]

I was surprised and appalled and angered that a senator and international envoy would save information on a private server, not only potentially hiding info but the ease of access to the emails from just about any hacker worth their weight. "Lock her UP". I remember those chants. So now we have many individuals sending what I would consider classified information using a public app and accidently adding a Democratic reporter. Several people said under oath that no classified info was sent with one individual stating that no information was sent using the app at all. This gave the Democratic reporter carte blanch to share all of the text thread. Republicans downplaying this on all fronts is to be expected, after all, the Democrats did the same thing with Benghazi. However, it now appears as if it was authentic, several administration officials are on record under oath lying about it, and my party wants me to pretend like it was as low level as say, sharing where they were going to eat that evening. I....am going to claim bullshit on this one. Until we start viewing ALL of our politicians as the same (they are) and instead of playing partisan "perception" experts, hold them accountable to the same rules. This is irritating the crap out of me. If you are not chanting "Lock them UP" in the same tone, then I would postulate that perhaps you are not for America and Justice.