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Cognitive Dissonance Question. - Karl12 - 08-07-2024
Even though they claim they 'never forced anyone to do anything' lol.
How do people who 'trust' the people running the government logically internalise these two statements?
• Lockdown - it's so important that everyone stays in their homes and has no contact with anyone due to viral contagion - it's so serious we are shutting down the global economy.
• Immigration - yes we are freely allowing literally millions of unchecked, unknown people across our borders and actually paying them upon arrival.
Can anybody help me with this apparent cognitive dissonance?
Hope folks can imagine the ramifications of these two seemingly opposing ideologies (even though they are coming from the same place).
Is conformity being mistaken for intelligence now?
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - RuchardHurt - 08-07-2024
(08-07-2024, 01:03 PM)Karl12 Wrote: Even though they claim they 'never forced anyone to do anything' lol.
How do people who 'trust' the people running the government logically internalise these two statements?
• Lockdown - it's so important that everyone stays in their homes and has no contact with anyone due to viral contagion - it's so serious we are shutting down the global economy.
• Immigration - yes we are freely allowing literally millions of unchecked, unknown people across our borders and actually paying them upon arrival.
Can anybody help me with this apparent cognitive dissonance?
Hope folks can imagine the ramifications of these two seemingly opposing ideologies (even though they are coming from the same place).
Is conformity being mistaken for intelligence now?
Maybe the people that keep getting elected simply do not care.
I would be more interested if you could provide someone that does care and can demonstrate with proven action to have done so.
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - AlienSun - 08-07-2024
(08-07-2024, 01:03 PM)Karl12 Wrote: Even though they claim they 'never forced anyone to do anything' lol.
How do people who 'trust' the people running the government logically internalise these two statements?
• Lockdown - it's so important that everyone stays in their homes and has no contact with anyone due to viral contagion - it's so serious we are shutting down the global economy.
• Immigration - yes we are freely allowing literally millions of unchecked, unknown people across our borders and actually paying them upon arrival.
Can anybody help me with this apparent cognitive dissonance?
Hope folks can imagine the ramifications of these two seemingly opposing ideologies (even though they are coming from the same place).
Is conformity being mistaken for intelligence now?
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - Maxmars - 08-07-2024
The people getting elected do not represent us.
They represent the money (free speech) they are 'given' by supporters of the BIG corporate class.
They represent the "political party" and their façade of "ideological" interests.
They represent the direction they are given by their "leaders."
It's a club (and we're not in it.)
The media convinces us that "they care" by simply saying the words, "They care," while smiling.
The lockdown was about a reset of the economic status quo - to facilitate a massive wealth transfer, and the laundering of countless billions of dollars.
(Just like they always have done...) And they can do this because they have an unaccountable monopoly on currency and monetary policy... all they need is an excuse to do it...
Enter... the "We're all gonna die!" COVID 'pandemic.'
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - CCoburn - 08-07-2024
I don't really bother with news and current events much unless something interesting pops up in my recommended, but maybe it's a mix of priorities and agendas. Can they actually even enforce border control under all circumstances in all locations, and why they are received so well after the fact? It appears the "great American melting pot" has been diverted to an illogical extreme here with the Olympics and all, but that's just more icing on the cake. It seems everything is about racism these days, and gender identity has become like some new form of mental illness in ignorance of the objective: it appears as three categories being crammed into two – maybe more like Men, Women, and 'Other'.
The covid hysteria didn't make a whole lot of sense either with the ultimatums and all; people died, but we don't engage in such measures for other things of a similar nature. A lot of it doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you start exploring outside of the box a bit; I tend to focus more on other things...
"So many rabbit holes; so little time.".
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - l0st - 08-07-2024
(08-07-2024, 03:00 PM)Maxmars Wrote: The people getting elected do not represent us.
They represent the money (free speech) they are 'given' by supporters of the BIG corporate class.
They represent the "political party" and their façade of "ideological" interests.
They represent the direction they are given by their "leaders."
It's a club (and we're not in it.)
The media convinces us that "they care" by simply saying the words, "They care," while smiling.
The lockdown was about a reset of the economic status quo - to facilitate a massive wealth transfer, and the laundering of countless billions of dollars.
(Just like they always have done...) And they can do this because they have an unaccountable monopoly on currency and monetary policy... all they need is an excuse to do it...
Enter... the "We're all gonna die!" COVID 'pandemic.'
The US Government stopped caring about "We The People" right around the time they staged the 9/11 false flag and implemented FISA secret wiretaps and DHS with the passage of the USAPATRIOT act. They also established local "fusion centers" to spy on every last piece of citizen communications in order to enforce the new police state.
The 2008 crash was purposely caused to place the populous under excessive economic/socio-political stress in order to move forward with the goals of Agenda 21 through use of the Cloward-Piven strategy in an effort to implement the first stages of UBI. However, the Government was not able to garner enough public support to move forward with the effort at that time.
Following the political failure of the '08 crash, they attempted to move forward with plan B - mass pandemic, on multiple occasions (see H1N1, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, H1N4) but once again they were unable to garner the public support necessary to move forward with drastic measures like lockdowns, forced vaccinations, masks, social distancing and UBI.
The effort was basically placed on the back burner while the US economy festered for years. Meanwhile, "social media" uptake by the general public reached a fever pitch throughout the lull. When the 2016 election was on the horizon, the DNC invested billions into online political trolls, bots, political advertisements, PACs, etc in an effort to win Hillary Clinton the election. This effort ultimately failed, but the DNC now had a taste of the amazing amount of influence they could peddle online and they wanted MORE.
So, 2020 coming up for another election, the DNC did not want to lose again. So, they were ready this time to ensure that someone on their side that could keep pushing the agenda forward would be installed. They then renamed Agenda 21 to Agenda 2030 and moved forward with their pre-planned pandemic, bots, and trolls for sure they would succeed this time in duping the public into staying home so that community leaders would be unable to organize an opposition, using lawfare and public shaming, paid off news agencies, and pharama corps, with huge grants to medical to attack and silence those who ran counter to their agenda from multiple directions simultaneously.
Luck was on their side. The public was now addicted to their smart devices, staying connected 24/7 to be fear-mongered nonstop by news agencies, shills, and even their own friends and relatives who had now been successfully convinced that it was all true and drastic action had to be taken or "the death of the whole world" loomed on the horizon.
During this time, the US government colluded with private businesses to suppress public dissent. They even went so far as to install government agents onto corporate boards, assign agents permanently to specific corporate organizations, and commission entire new departments to seek out and quash "misinformation" that ran counter to the agenda, even going so far as to arrest and jail constituents exercising their free speech rights. Agents of Federal, State, and City governments gave direct orders to private businesses under threat of fines, investigations, and license removals or other legal consequences for non-compliance. This is the very definition of fascism.
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - FlyersFan - 08-08-2024
(08-07-2024, 01:03 PM)Karl12 Wrote: • Lockdown - it's so important that everyone stays in their homes and has no contact with anyone due to viral contagion - it's so serious we are shutting down the global economy.Yeah ... the stand of Harris VP pick WALZ
• Immigration - yes we are freely allowing literally millions of unchecked, unknown people across our borders and actually paying them upon arrival.
He was so into the COVID lockdown that he had hotlines set up for people to call if they knew others were breaking the rules he set up for draconian COVID lockdowns. At the same time he is so into open borders that he openly quipped that he would invest in a ladder factory that would make ladders for illegals to use to get in over the border wall.
Yeah ... Cognitive Dissonance.
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - VulcanWerks - 08-08-2024
(08-07-2024, 10:15 PM)l0st Wrote: The US Government stopped caring about "We The People" right around the time they staged the 9/11 false flag and implemented FISA secret wiretaps and DHS with the passage of the USAPATRIOT act. They also established local "fusion centers" to spy on every last piece of citizen communications in order to enforce the new police state.
The 2008 crash was purposely caused to place the populous under excessive economic/socio-political stress in order to move forward with the goals of Agenda 21 through use of the Cloward-Piven strategy in an effort to implement the first stages of UBI. However, the Government was not able to garner enough public support to move forward with the effort at that time.
Following the political failure of the '08 crash, they attempted to move forward with plan B - mass pandemic, on multiple occasions (see H1N1, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, H1N4) but once again they were unable to garner the public support necessary to move forward with drastic measures like lockdowns, forced vaccinations, masks, social distancing and UBI.
The effort was basically placed on the back burner while the US economy festered for years. Meanwhile, "social media" uptake by the general public reached a fever pitch throughout the lull. When the 2016 election was on the horizon, the DNC invested billions into online political trolls, bots, political advertisements, PACs, etc in an effort to win Hillary Clinton the election. This effort ultimately failed, but the DNC now had a taste of the amazing amount of influence they could peddle online and they wanted MORE.
So, 2020 coming up for another election, the DNC did not want to lose again. So, they were ready this time to ensure that someone on their side that could keep pushing the agenda forward would be installed. They then renamed Agenda 21 to Agenda 2030 and moved forward with their pre-planned pandemic, bots, and trolls for sure they would succeed this time in duping the public into staying home so that community leaders would be unable to organize an opposition, using lawfare and public shaming, paid off news agencies, and pharama corps, with huge grants to medical to attack and silence those who ran counter to their agenda from multiple directions simultaneously.
Luck was on their side. The public was now addicted to their smart devices, staying connected 24/7 to be fear-mongered nonstop by news agencies, shills, and even their own friends and relatives who had now been successfully convinced that it was all true and drastic action had to be taken or "the death of the whole world" loomed on the horizon.
During this time, the US government colluded with private businesses to suppress public dissent. They even went so far as to install government agents onto corporate boards, assign agents permanently to specific corporate organizations, and commission entire new departments to seek out and quash "misinformation" that ran counter to the agenda, even going so far as to arrest and jail constituents exercising their free speech rights. Agents of Federal, State, and City governments gave direct orders to private businesses under threat of fines, investigations, and license removals or other legal consequences for non-compliance. This is the very definition of fascism.
I would say you’re generous here.
Eisenhower’s departure was the beginning of the end - ending with JFK.
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - l0st - 08-08-2024
(08-08-2024, 09:13 AM)VulcanWerks Wrote: I would say you’re generous here.
Eisenhower’s departure was the beginning of the end - ending with JFK.
Well, I figured JFK would come up. In my opinion his assassination was entirely arranged at the Federal level. Lots of the behavior coming out of Washington has been "problematic" since basically forever post passage of the Federal Income Tax. However, I don't believe state and local were involved at that time. Fast forward to today and the collusion and corruption is present on every level.
Through the late 90s there was still some semblance of state and local governments passing legislation that benefits the constituency. Post 9/11 any and all resources have been poured into all aspect of "law enforcement" and "the war on terror." Hell, the minimum wage hasn't even been raised since 2009 despite costs of everything tripling or quadrupling since that time. Some states have passed their own raises, but only because they absolutely had to. Minimum wage, in its original incarnation, was pegged to inflation with increases every couple years.
Look at the state and local coffers these days! Every other year they want to raise property taxes - nevermind that in some areas your property taxes are basically a second mortgage payment on their own. No legislation to control in-state tuitions which have quintupled in the last 25 years. No legislation to fund local hospitals and medical centers. No legislation to provide services to get homeless and the drug addicted off the streets and into treatment.
Now, what do we have? Oh, we need more armed personnel carriers, and millions of rounds of ammunition, and tactical gear, cameras, and more cameras, and speeding cameras, and red light cameras, and camera drones to inspect for code violations, social media surveillance software, teams of online agents to police speech on the internet and.... I think you see my point - basically none of these post 9/11 additions to our state and local governments actually benefit the constituency in any way. They're all ways for the governments to criminalize more people and get their hands in our pockets.
Nobody is out there screaming for more surveillance on the internet. Nobody is out there demanding the government install more cameras. The government has turned into a rogue organization that abuses public resources for profit.
I'm sure there were plenty of problems during the 60s (and there were) but just not anywhere near the level and frequency we are seeing today.
I guess one could also point out other incidents like Ruby Ridge & Waco and while those were also abuses they were years apart, and there were changes made after those incidents occurred. Now this stuff happens on a daily basis, all the investigations are shams, and nothing ever gets done about the impropriety. The entirety of the Covid-19 scandal is a perfect example of that. So, so, so many laws flat out broken and ignored by our "lawmakers" and zero action taken at the judicial level.
RE: Cognitive Dissonance Question. - jaded - 08-11-2024
"Can anybody help me with this apparent cognitive dissonance?"
Karl12
What cognitive dissonance? Stupid + Stupid = Stupid
Anyone expecting US Govt to act intelligently has bigger fish to fry than mentally reconciling it's individual actions.
For me the only "blip" was the initial Covid Lockdown announcement. For anyone who remembers the 1st SARs incident where "blah-blah airplanes, blah-blah Canada, blah-blah new unknown virus then for a split second a temp lockdown seemed rational. The US pulling together like Britain during WW2 images danced thru my head.
Then reality set in.
The US had absolutely no medical clue what they were doing, each State had listed different/impractical items needed for logistics/civil society as "non-essential" which made shortages a 100% given. Once Fauci opened his mouth anyone with a brain realized it was going to be a long hard saga.
Our immigration issues have been a dumpster fire SINCE WW2. Some years things aren't "as bad" other years it's a stampede. Longest slowest most consistant "foreign invasion" of a Country in recent memory.
Cognitive Dissonance for me, jmo, came with different lunacy. Apparently everything I knew about 19th century American Governmental history was a lie, Science I learned is now all wrong, plus a few other minor shockers. US policies ever being common sense STILL aren't in my top ten list of Mindbenders.
