(10-29-2025, 07:53 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: Oh, you mean countries that don't really have much of an active military? What a shock that an agency that is actively trying to get rid of the criminals in our country illegally would have a nice hefty budget. 

But, I'm sure you'd be shocked to know that in 2022 ICE still had a higher budget than most South American countries......

Doesn't shock me at all.
The budget I was reading has new facilities and obviously with more real estate comes with more personal such as support staff which needs training.
I personally would prefer states handle there own shit but this is not me living in reality. So here we are wether I like it or not.
But to be clear we do live in a police state. I guess it just depends on how you feel about that and how to combat that at the voting booths. I don't see it changing though.

(10-29-2025, 08:00 AM)RichardHurt Wrote: Doesn't shock me at all.
The budget I was reading has new facilities and obviously with more real estate comes with more personal such as support staff which needs training.
I personally would prefer states handle there own shit but this is not me living in reality. So here we are wether I like it or not.
But to be clear we do live in a police state. I guess it just depends on how you feel about that and how to combat that at the voting booths. I don't see it changing though.

Leave national security up to the states?  See how well that is working for New York, Illinois, California etc.   How many violent illegal immigrants, that have bene released several times by the states judicial system, have killed people in the last month in those states? 


How do you view the countries current state as a "police state"? Is it because we have enforcement agencies that are actually trying to enforce our countries laws?

(10-29-2025, 08:03 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: Leave national security up to the states?  See how well that is working for New York, Illinois, California etc.   How many violent illegal immigrants, that have bene released several times by the states judicial system, have killed people in the last month in those states? 


How do you view the countries current state as a "police state"? Is it because we have enforcement agencies that are actually trying to enforce our countries laws?

The expanded surveillance powers being granted to ICE is of concern. 
Palantir technology being implemented into Sheriff's offices and many state police forces is also a bit concerning.
Maybe I should change my wording and step back from the claim of police state and use surveillance state.

(10-29-2025, 08:07 AM)RichardHurt Wrote: The expanded surveillance powers being granted to ICE is of concern. 
Palantir technology being implemented into Sheriff's offices and many state police forces is also a bit concerning.
Maybe I should change my wording and step back from the claim of police state and use surveillance state.

That is nothing new with enforcement agencies, we have been a surveillance state since the Patriot Act.

the only difference is the implementation of AI and newer technology.

(10-29-2025, 08:09 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: That is nothing new with enforcement agencies, we have been a surveillance state since the Patriot Act.

the only difference is the implementation of AI and newer technology.

There is also the difference that it is now being overtly acknowledged, which is a good thing.

Parallel construction¹ is an abomination that needs to end.


¹ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-s...R20130805/

(10-29-2025, 07:24 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: https://nypost.com/2025/10/29/us-news/us...en-parade/

What the DHS official says in the quote above seems more plausible to me than the residents' story that ICE showed up randomly in the middle of a children's parade and started throwing tear gas without warning.


I'm going to guess he decided to box ICE in and not let them leave. The same "running club" that is spinning the story is the only one claiming he suffered broken ribs. And if he did, what did he expect was going to happen?

As for the neighbours, the story of a "children's parade" seems like BS made up to make ICE look like monsters. What's next, ICE is going around local hospitals and ripping babies out of incubators? It is shameful to use children as political props.

This happened last Saturday. Here is the original ABS News story:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/border-patrol-...=126900354

As you know, there's always two sides to a story, but the images of the incident don't show a rowdy crowd attacking the agents, and it does look like a fairly decent neighbourhood. Maybe the agents are enjoying their role a little to much??

(10-29-2025, 07:26 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: I find it odd that, in the article I had to find since you posted no direct link to it, there are several pictures from this incident of other drivers in their cars without being arrested.   

Wonder what this guy did to single himself out of all the other drivers? Guess we will have to see who else posts an article about this, hopefully with more information, or even an un-edited video of the incident.

You only had to click anything red in the article and it would've taken you straight there! 

An undated video would be helpful, so I've added one to the front page.

(10-29-2025, 07:33 AM)Vermilion Wrote: Conveniently left out of your post was this….
“During the operations Border Patrol agents were surrounded and boxed in by a group of agitators. Federal law enforcement issued multiple lawful commands and verbal warnings, all of which were ignored.“

And links…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...53988.html

https://nypost.com/2025/10/29/us-news/us...ium=social

Another case of FAFO.
Impeding, assaulting and threatening law enforcement in the course of their lawful duties is probably not the best idea.
If you order the omelette you can’t cry about the breaking of eggs.

I didn't conveniently leave out anything, I posted clips of the story, and from the pictures supplied I couldn't see any rowdy crowds surrounding the 'brown' shirts.

Not buying the 'victims' story at all.

(10-29-2025, 10:21 AM)Kurokage Wrote: As you know, there's always two sides to a story, but the images of the incident don't show a rowdy crowd attacking the agents, and it does look like a fairly decent neighbourhood. Maybe the agents are enjoying their role a little to much??

Yeah, that’s what strikes me as odd… the neighborhood looks totally normal, just your average American community.

Usually, people involved in illegal activity tend to live in temporary housing or overcrowded apartments, not places like this.

If you ask me, this looks like a deliberate effort to ease the public into accepting federal policing as the new normal.