(10-13-2025, 12:30 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: I don't like the man, but yes he has been involved in 7 wars/conflicts and yes improvement or resolution has been seen.  I use the word 'conflicts' in addition to 'wars' because some of these are not 'wars' in the sense that most of us think of.  Calling them all 'wars' is conflating what they actually are in some cases.

Credit where it is due.   

The seven conflicts Trump has been involved in that have been ended or downgraded according to Trump ...

Cambodia and Thailand
Kosovo and Serbia
DRC and Rwanda
Pakistan and India
Israel and Iran
Egypt and Ethiopia
Armenia and Azerbaijan

Yes he has been involved with all of those conflicts.
Yes those conflicts have either ended or been downgraded.
Yes some of those conflicts continue, but not at the level they were at prior to his intervention.

In the case of Pakistan and India, Trump threatened massive tariffs on both if they didn't knock it off.  They stopped.  I consider this resolved.  

In the case of Israel and Iran, Trump bombed the Iranian nuke plants.   Iran won't ever stop but Trumps intervention did bring an end to the open warfare that was happening at that time.

In the case of Egypt and Ethiopia he held discussions, but Ethiopia continued the dam anyways.   They stopped fighting but Ethiopia did what it wanted and didn't negotiate.   I don't call this 'resolved' by Trump but instead  I consider this Egypt giving in.

In the case of DRC and Rwanda he DID get the agreement to stop, but skirmishes sometimes break the peace.  I consider this mostly resolved.

In the case of Armenia and Azerbaijan, he did get the peace agreement but it also needs backup oversight.  To be expected.  I consider this mostly resolved.

In the case of Cambodia and Thailand, he did get the peace agreement but both sides are snippy about the other not fulfilling the agreement.  I consider this mostly resolved.

Facts and reality always hurt these Never Trump clowns.

The only thing they have is their red ass hurt that Trump is making the USA and the world a better place, one deal at a time.

They don't want to see Trump succeed.

Pakistan and India.
One of the wars Trump says he and his administration stopped.
A word today from the leader of Pakistan ...

Live News Gaza Ceasefire Agreements

Quote:Pakistan's Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif spoke during a summit in Egypt where President Donald Trump and other world leaders signed the historic Gaza peace plan.
 "Today is one of the greatest days in contemporary history because peace has been achieved after untiring efforts, efforts led by President Trump, who is genuinely a man of peace," Sharif said. He added that Trump worked "relentlessly" to lead efforts to "make this world a place to live with peace and prosperity."
 Sharif also said that Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Like I said ... on a personal level I don't like the man.
But give him credit where it is due.
He exaggerates calling all 7 conflicts 'wars'.
Some were headed that way for sure.
But they were at the very least conflicts and his intervention did end them or bring them down greatly.
He should get credit for that.

(10-13-2025, 12:30 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: I don't like the man, but yes he has been involved in 7 wars/conflicts and yes improvement or resolution has been seen.  I use the word 'conflicts' in addition to 'wars' because some of these are not 'wars' in the sense that most of us think of.  Calling them all 'wars' is conflating what they actually are in some cases.

Credit where it is due.   Not all 'wars' like we think of ... but minor wars and conflicts for sure ... 

The seven conflicts Trump has been involved in that have been ended or downgraded according to Trump ...

Cambodia and Thailand
Kosovo and Serbia
DRC and Rwanda
Pakistan and India
Israel and Iran
Egypt and Ethiopia
Armenia and Azerbaijan

And of course now we have #8 - a real war - Israel and Gaza.

Yes he has been involved with all of those conflicts.
Yes those conflicts have either ended or been downgraded.
Yes some of those conflicts continue, but not at the level they were at prior to his intervention.

In the case of Pakistan and India, Trump threatened massive tariffs on both if they didn't knock it off.  They stopped.  I consider this resolved.  

In the case of Israel and Iran, Trump bombed the Iranian nuke plants.   Iran won't ever stop but Trumps intervention did bring an end to the open warfare that was happening at that time.

In the case of Egypt and Ethiopia he held discussions, but Ethiopia continued the dam anyways.   They stopped fighting but Ethiopia did what it wanted and didn't negotiate.   I don't call this 'resolved' by Trump but instead  I consider this Egypt giving in.

In the case of DRC and Rwanda he DID get the agreement to stop, but skirmishes sometimes break the peace.  I consider this mostly resolved.

In the case of Armenia and Azerbaijan, he did get the peace agreement but it also needs backup oversight.  To be expected.  I consider this mostly resolved.

In the case of Cambodia and Thailand, he did get the peace agreement but both sides are snippy about the other not fulfilling the agreement.  I consider this mostly resolved.

Yeah, if you read the links, it's plain that he did not stop any wars.

And Trump threatens massive tariffs on a daily basis. LoL 

Props for certain actions, all the same, and diplomatic gestures. 

But that does not equate to stopping wars.

Like he has claimed on numerous occasions.

Nor does it equate to a Nobel Peace Prize as much as he may have hoped. 

What about the Armenian-Cambodian conflict? 

And where number 8 is concerned, and as much as i hope peace in the Middle East is on the horizon, and a tangible thing to behold, i would call that a ceasefire, until we know any different.

(10-13-2025, 01:19 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Pakistan and India.
One of the wars Trump says he and his administration stopped.
A word today from the leader of Pakistan ...

Live News Gaza Ceasefire Agreements


Like I said ... on a personal level I don't like the man.
But give him credit where it is due.
He exaggerates calling all 7 conflicts 'wars'.
Some were headed that way for sure.
But they were at the very least conflicts and his intervention did end them or bring them down greatly.
He should get credit for that.

So if he is exaggerating stuff, obviously for his own personal gain or kudos, what are we giving him credit for?

Going about making boasts about things, some that never even happened, hardly equates to admiration.

(10-13-2025, 12:16 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Andy - the Quote button seems a little sticky?

But I see Trump claimed today at the Knesset that he ended the war in Azerbaijan.

Along with claiming that the US was "dead" under Obama and Biden.....

He's off his head.

He also recently blamed Biden for 100s of FBI agents being involved in January 6th.

Whose watch was it that happened on again? 

The claims he makes simply get more outlandish as the days grow shorter. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/27...i-00583383
https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/trump-repe...07002.html
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-tr...e52207fa86

(10-13-2025, 03:57 PM)andy06shake Wrote: So if he is exaggerating stuff, obviously for his own personal gain or kudos, what are we giving him credit for?

His administration did get involved in 8 conflicts and minor wars.
They all ended, most of them through his involvement.
Give him and his administration credit for those.
While at the same time pointing out that most of those were conflicts, not 'wars'.
Example ... Egypt fighting over a dam is not a war.
although Gaza and Israel was a real war.

(10-13-2025, 04:02 PM)andy06shake Wrote: He also recently blamed Biden for 100s of FBI agents being involved in January 6th.

The 247 (I think that's the number) of FBI agents being in the crowd is most likely true.
But it was the fault of the corrupt and partisan FBI .. not Biden.
When Trump gets bloviating he is his own worst enemy.   He gets himself worked up.

(10-13-2025, 04:03 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: His administration did get involved in 8 conflicts and minor wars.
They all ended, most of them through his involvement.
Give him and his administration credit for those.
While at the same time pointing out that most of those were conflicts, not 'wars'.
Example ... Egypt fighting over a dam is not a war.
although Gaza and Israel was a real war.

Prove that they all ended through his actual involvement, please?

Some of them were not even wars, you see, or ever happened.

You even recognize the fact, even if Trump doesn't.  

As to credit, if that equates to an actual peace, especially where your "number 8" is concerned, i will gladly give it. 

And i mean that.

Because let's face it, peace in the Middle East is desirable....if that's what it actually brings about....So be it.

(10-13-2025, 04:05 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: The 247 (I think that's the number) of FBI agents being in the crowd is most likely true.
But it was the fault of the corrupt and partisan FBI .. not Biden.
When Trump gets bloviating he is his own worst enemy.   He gets himself worked up.

And blames the wrong people....

He ""bloviates"" about lots of things.

Sharia law, windmills, shower heads, people eating cats and dogs, ending wars in 24 hours, magnets negated via glasses of water, Obama's birth certificate....

I mean, the list is rather extensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_m...nald_Trump
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/20/politics/...month-2025
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-507...conference
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/23/us/po...check.html

Well this thread says it all on the topic at hand, derailed from the second post. Contents of the opening post completely ignored and denied regardless of who said it since events unfolded.

It may well be true that I post cryptically so let me elucidate

An image of a video was posted with bold words on it, not the video. I made a statement about it.

"What I can say looking from the other side" I'm not an American, I don't live there, but I could. I can apply for refugee status in America. 

If the satire in the very first sentence was not clear "Didn't bother watching the video as I can see by what is displayed that it's straight facts" now it's stated.

Here is two recent accounts in my life to add to the OP

A couple of weeks ago they tried to drag a woman into the bushes 200m from my house to rape her. This is common. Screams in the night is common. I go outside and try and look, but it's impossible to know were the person is. Sometimes a commotion follows after, other times nothing.

A female family member took an uber a couple of weeks ago, the car got stopped by the police, it wasn't an uber driver. You can figure out the rest, it's a common story.

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