(01-28-2026, 05:39 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Again.  Is it false Pretti laid hands on a ICE agent before being shot.  

I didn’t see many people on the left complain when it was once again held up that a federal agent is allowed to protect themselves if they fear for their safety after unarmed Babbit was shot on Jan 6th.

As I've said all along -- there are better ways than -- violent untrained secret police thugs.

This violence does not need to happen.  And that is NOT the responsibility of the people.

(01-28-2026, 05:28 PM)Caligurl Wrote: This whole thing reminds me of a Kanye West PR clean-up. Why do people wait to bring out new footage?

I think they wait to see who says what, and how the event impacts people. If this guys death had no impact the video would not have been dropped and then it would just seem like a random tragic event. Now we know this wasn't so random this guy goes out looking for a fight. So all the people saying this guy was just a good sanitarian helping out some old lady and peacefully protesting can now be discredited as they should be for lying.

(01-28-2026, 05:41 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Tell me how much training these wannabe thugs have had.

Not much from what I've read.

More than a civilian but basically this is how it works for all federal agents. The U.S. has a few training camps or academies that all feds must go through which they teach you use of force training and DT defensive tactics etc in which they also teach you how to not look like the aggressor on camera by positioning your hands certain ways etc while also maintaining a defensive posture then they spit you out because theres only so much room and a lot of people and you have a yearly review including revised training like a refresher course once a year and you go to the range again etc thats about it

Does ICE have an arrest quota? It depends on who speaks for Trump

His lawyers say NO.

However -- White House adviser Stephen Miller could not have been any clearer. He told Fox News host Sean Hannity in May that aggressive arrest quotas for Immigration and Customs Enforcement would achieve President Donald Trump's goal of deporting 1 million immigrants a year

"Under President Trump's leadership," Miller said, "we are looking to set a goal of a minimum of 3,000 arrests for ICE every day. And President Trump is going to keep pushing to get that number up higher each and every single day so we can get all of the Biden illegals that were flooded into our country for four years out of our country."

I don't believe anything coming from this corrupt administration.


Does ICE have an arrest quota? It depends on who speaks for Trump

(01-28-2026, 05:44 PM)ANNEE Wrote: As I've said all along -- there are better ways than -- violent untrained secret police thugs.

This violence does not need to happen.  And that is NOT the responsibility of the people.

ICE is right there in the open in the streets.

Secret police dress as your neighbor, and secretly infiltrate communities.


It’s been answered already.

(01-25-2026, 09:23 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Like offering money for illegal aliens to leave which many have done.

Legally immigrate to the US.

Not let politicians abuse the immigration system, equally apply immigration law.

Local agencies actually arrest and stop harassment tactics that willfully interfere with ICE agents.

When local agencies arrest illegal aliens on evidence of violent crimes, hand them over to ICE.

Local politicians stopping this no bail crap and actually seek justice and protect public safety by keeping violent offenders incarcerated.

Laying hands and interfering with federal agents isn’t protected. Period.

(01-28-2026, 05:23 PM)Solvedit Wrote: How can you willfully overplay your hand this badly?  Your own source says 25-40% of detainees have criminal records and that's bad?

My sources are more specific:

Detainees with no criminal conviction 73%
Detainees with any criminal conviction 27%
Detainees with violent criminal conviction 5%
Detainees with property crime conviction 3%

*Hint: If someone suggests they are quoting statistics, but gives you only very approximate very rounded numbers, they are just making things up. Collated sets of real-world measured numbers are not like that.

(01-28-2026, 05:44 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: In the UK.  What lawful orders were the UK military conducting while civilians marched in the streets.  Or were they there just to keep people from assembling.  Lot different than leftist agitators laying hands on ICE agents to prevent the from apprehending illegal aliens being target for violent criminal activities.

Do some research and maybe make a thread rather than detailing this one?

Pretti's gun might possibly have fired the first shot, setting off the agents.

It has been identified as a Sig P320.  According to a Bing search summary:

Quote:The P320 marked Sig Sauer's first entry into the striker-fired pistol market and has various configurations and calibers available. However, it has faced controversy due to reports of uncommanded discharges, leading to safety concerns and legal actions in some jurisdictions.

Suppose, just suppose, that the agent who recovered it had it fire unintentionally, and that set off the rest of the shooting especially if the agents were grappling for his arms and had lost control of one of them momentarily.

Let's hope they investigate the shooting thoroughly.

(01-28-2026, 05:48 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Does ICE have an arrest quota? It depends on who speaks for Trump

From you source.

Quote:"We can't take the risk of letting these Biden illegals roam around freely so the next American daughter can get raped, the next American kid can get murdered, the next American family can get splintered and torn apart by people who came into this country unchecked, uncontrolled, unvetted, uninvited by the American people."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/does-i...r-AA1JTS7Y

I think the goal is to remove the most violent criminals of the illegal aliens which is different than a quota.

(01-28-2026, 05:54 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Do some research and maybe make a thread rather than detailing this one?

I did and provided quotes.  Now address what was actually posted.  Where its been pointed out by a few people now you ignore what is actually posted.

 asked about Bloody Sunday.  Did the UK military shot unarmed civilians in the streets.  Some while they were running.  Others that tried to help those who were shot.

In the UK.  What lawful orders were the UK military conducting while civilians marched in the streets.  Or were they there just to keep people from assembling.  Lot different than leftist agitators laying hands on ICE agents to prevent the from apprehending illegal aliens being target for violent criminal activities.


All you are doing is trying to use false assurances while ignoring cited sources to try to change the argument.