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#71
(12-03-2025, 05:54 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: the bad boy stereotype is often confused with the true alpha personality 
women who are attracted to "bad boys" are confusing them for alphas

If women confuse thugs for the true alpha male personality they can't be that dissimilar.

I have no investment in the human species and I'd welcome its extinction. I'm an antinatalist as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
#72
(12-03-2025, 05:58 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: If women confuse thugs for the true alpha male personality they can't be that dissimilar.

I have no investment in the human species and I'd welcome its extinction. I'm an antinatalist as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

I am not sure what you are imagining or what expectations you have in your mind about what women want/desire either in a physical relationship (unconscious) vs. psychological relationship.

Perhaps reading a little Jung on this matter may help allay some of the mystery.

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"Every man carries within him the eternal image of woman, not the image of this or that particular woman, but a definite feminine image.
 This image is fundamentally unconscious, an hereditary factor of primordial origin engraved in the living organic system of the man, an imprint or ‘archetype” of all the ancestral experiences of the female, a deposit, as it were, of all the impressions ever made by woman-in short, an inherited system of psychic adaptation.
 
Even if no women existed, it would still be possible, at any given time, to deduce from this unconscious image exactly how a woman would have to be constituted psychically.

The same is true of the woman: she too has her inborn image of man. Actually, we know from experience that it would be more accurate to describe it as an image of men, whereas in the case of the man it is rather the image of woman. 
 
Since this image is unconscious, it is always unconsciously projected upon the person of the beloved, and is one of the chief reasons for passionate attraction or aversion.
 
I have called this image the “anima,” and I find the scholastic question Habet mulier animam?  especially interesting, since in my view it is an intelligent one inasmuch as the doubt seems justified. Woman has no anima, no soul, but she has an animus. 
 
The anima has an erotic, emotional character, the animus a rationalizing one. Hence most of what men say about feminine eroticism, and particularly about the emotional life of women, is derived from their own anima projections and distorted accordingly.
 
On the other hand, the astonishing assumptions and fantasies that women make about men come from the activity of the animus, who produces an inexhaustible supply of illogical arguments and false explanations.
 
Anima and animus are both characterized by an extraordinary many-sidedness.
 
Marriage | Carl Jung: Marriage as a Psychological Relationship

While Jung has some insightfulness here and there but not with whether or not women had souls and other things, he could not maintain a marriage but ended up having a friendship with his ex-wife. So he may not be the best source for how to maintain a psychological (conscious) partnership as in marriage, but he was on to something about our unconscious animus and anima. Basically, expectations need to be explored then brought into reality.
"The only journey is the one within."
#73
(12-03-2025, 05:58 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: If women confuse thugs for the true alpha male personality they can't be that dissimilar.

I have no investment in the human species and I'd welcome its extinction. I'm an antinatalist as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism


Either that or women are very, very confused 

I'm seeing a lot more people adopting your philosophy
#74
(12-03-2025, 06:10 PM)quintessentone Wrote: While Jung has some insightfulness here and there but not with whether or not women had souls and other things, he could not maintain a marriage but ended up having a friendship with his ex-wife. So he may not be the best source for how to maintain a psychological (conscious) partnership as in marriage, but he was on to something about our unconscious animus and anima. Basically, expectations need to be explored then brought into reality.

Here is an interview with Jung.



He was mostly wrong; influenced by the dark side of spirituality. And maybe kind of gay. Not stupid though.
#75
(12-03-2025, 05:54 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: imo

the bad boy stereotype is often confused with the true alpha personality 
women who are attracted to "bad boys" are confusing them for alphas

"bad boys" typically suffer from mommy/daddy issues
They're emotionally stunted, emotionally unavailable 
women who are attracted to them also have unresolved mommy/daddy issues
Hence their deep-seated need to find someone to "fix"

True alphas are protective and willing to sacrifice by nature


Excellent post. 

I’m actually a supporter of generational group families. IMO — the single family unit of mom - dad - kid is extremely detrimental to social and mental health. 

So much talk these days of self-centered kids. How self-centered can you be when you gotta learn acceptance and understanding of various needs of different ages and multiple personalities in a generational family?

In regard to the Georgia Guidestones — I personally am a supporter of population reduction — but it is known who the creator of those stones is/was. And he was a Christian Nationalist White Supremist
#76
(12-03-2025, 06:50 PM)ANNEE Wrote:  — but it is known who the creator of those stones is/was. And he was a Christian Nationalist White Supremist

What was his name?
#77
I always preferred Freud to Jung although I admit I'm no psychologist.

Freud grasped it's all about sex which is underpinned by the Darwinian reality.
#78
(12-03-2025, 06:34 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Here is an interview with Jung.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBYEFX2dqpM]

He was mostly wrong; influenced by the dark side of spirituality. And maybe kind of gay. Not stupid though.

I think he was on to something with focusing on the unconscious - whatever you want to call it - attraction to others' traits or types or something else going on that affects who and how we perceive potential sexual partners/mates.

"1. A man who views women as emotional and irrational may have an underdeveloped anima (feminine side). His prejudices reflect his inability to accept that part of himself.

2. A woman in a male-dominated career who faces microaggressions and bias may struggle to integrate her animus (masculine side). She has to work harder to be assertive and command respect.

3. A man who loves to garden, cook and spend time with his children is in touch with his nurturing anima. He embraces traditionally “feminine” traits that give him joy.

4. A woman CEO who is decisive, ambitious and competitive exemplifies a well-integrated animus. She embraces stereotypically “masculine” qualities that help her succeed professionally.

5. A man who has mainly female friends and associates often finds that his anima is his guide in relationships. He is comfortable with his feminine nature and expresses it socially. 

6. A woman who excels at sports, finds adventure and takes risks shows qualities of a healthy animus. She incorporates stereotypically “masculine” traits into her identity.

7. A man who distrusts and objectifies women likely has a shadow anima – a repressed, underdeveloped feminine side that manifests in unhealthy ways.

8. A woman who feels competitive with other women may have a shadow animus – a view of “femininity” colored by unconscious masculine biases and prejudices.

These are some of the most common and relatable anima and animus examples.

Read More Here... https://themindsjournal.com/what-is-anim...rchetypes/"

"What do psychologists think about Jung
Psychologists have varying opinions on Carl Jung's contributions to psychology. Some view his ideas as outdated, particularly those that do not align with the empirical and biomedical model of psychology. Others recognize Jung's unique contributions to psychology, such as archetypes, personality types, dream analysis, the collective unconscious, and synchronicity. Jungian therapy, while not widely used in mainstream psychology, is still practiced by some clinicians and is often based on Jung's work. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, a widely-used personality test, is an example of Jung's influence on modern personality psychology"

(AI)
"The only journey is the one within."
#79
I always got the impression the late great Christopher Hitchens was a bit dubious of Jung (don't ask me to find the specific interview on YouTube).
#80
(12-03-2025, 06:55 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: I always preferred Freud to Jung although I admit I'm no psychologist.

Freud grasped it's all about sex which is underpinned by the Darwinian reality.


Yes, but we were never really meant to be monogamous and a nice body and no brains doesn't do it for a lot of women, so we have to explore beyond Darwinian theory and Freud has been debunked as far as myself and may others are concerned - he had his own issues. I just think Jung was on to something with the unconscious and how it affects how and why we are attracted to others.
"The only journey is the one within."



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