Why do we not want to contact the other side?

[SurferSoul]

Because the beings that are available to contact, are not there for your wellbeing. Quite the opposite, in fact.

If that’s the case who is on the other side exactly? The government? The WEF, the Bilderbergers?

[quintessentone]

If that’s the case who is on the other side exactly? The government? The WEF, the Bilderbergers?

You know what they say, the only sure things in life are paying taxes and death. Maybe the taxman awaits us on the other side.

[Ray1990]

If this Earth is a skool like I keep saying, then we are here for specific tasks and lessons. Dabbling in the occult or gnosticism is fine, but it's not part of the lesson plan and it usually leads to dead ends.

It's like saying we're here to learn music and math but we want to keep dabbling in Pokemon cards instead. It's fine if that's what you want to do, but don't be surprised if you don't do well on your exams. 

It's not something I recommend though. This Earth is full of push and pull factors coming from those "other sides" and most people don't know sheet from shinola to be dealing with it. 

Just like everyone wants to do psychedelics and DMT because it'd be really cool to get really high and see cool stuff--but what did you learn to get there? 

If you haven't mastered the lessons here, what makes you think you'll master anything out there?

I'll quote Jurassic Park's Dr. Ian Malcolm "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”

Quite a few of us are genetically predisposed to exploration, if Earth is a school then it would be reasonable to say that some of us were put here to discover things.

I'm not a fan of determinism though...

If fear was the basis of a decision then it was hardly a decision at all.

If Earth was a school indulge yourself on as much extra curriculum activities you can because the national curriculum leaves a lot to be desired, that would be my advice. Fearful idiots are a lot more dangerous than anything that bumps in the night.

[andy06shake]

If that’s the case who is on the other side exactly? The government? The WEF, the Bilderbergers?

If the multiverse theory holds any weight, the answer may be all of the above or none. 

I'm apt to ponder, if there is anything past this existence, and i certainly hope that to be the case, it's above our pay grade to answer in our present condition. 

Somewhere along the lines of you will never know until you go.

And possibly for good reason.

Because knowing the answer could strip this life of its suspense, moral choices, and personal agency.

Meaning if we were really to know what happens next, we are apt to act accordingly....

[SurferSoul]

If the multiverse theory holds any weight, the answer may be all of the above or none. 

I'm apt to ponder, if there is anything past this existence, and i certainly hope that to be the case, it's above our pay grade to answer in our present condition. 

Somewhere along the lines of you will never know until you go.

And possibly for good reason.

Because knowing the answer could strip this life of its suspense, moral choices, and personal agency.

Meaning if we were really to know what happens next, we are apt to act accordingly....

I believe you’re referring to what happens after death? At least in the latter part of what you wrote. I would agree we are meant to concentrate on our time hear and not what lays beyond, I don’t think we are hear to learn anything as such unless that’s our thing. It could be more like entering a simulation, where we chose to take on the roles of our individual selves just for the experience (I suppose we would in fact learn something from that) like a virtual reality game. We choose the outline of our lives before entering the simulation, but nobody knows exactly what will happen because of all the variables. 
I don’t think that’s quite the case though, I suspect it’s more like somewhere along the way we forget who we really are, we become the thing we are embodying. Until death releases us from the objectification of experience we call life. 

The Astral realm isn’t so dissimilar to this one, only very much less coarse, less solid, less tangible. We can distinguish between imagination and dreams in this dimension, but in the astral they are very much real. Thoughts are things and vice versa. Probably this is why people caution against contacting beings from that plane or trying to visit. 

Something to consider, do we fear going to sleep at night? Do we fear those hours when we aren’t dreaming of complete nothingness devoid of our conscious awareness? For the most part we don’t, but only because we have had lots of practice and little choice. We shouldn’t fear death either, the only difference is we are stripped of our bodies, our baggage and even the personalities/identities we have picked up along the way. 
Only the essence, the soul, the core of our being remains, at first it’s in the astral but then should move on to to even higher states, from there the real mystery begins.

[andy06shake]

I believe you’re referring to what happens after death? At least in the latter part of what you wrote. I would agree we are meant to concentrate on our time hear and not what lays beyond, I don’t think we are hear to learn anything as such unless that’s our thing. It could be more like entering a simulation, where we chose to take on the roles of our individual selves just for the experience (I suppose we would in fact learn something from that) like a virtual reality game. We choose the outline of our lives before entering the simulation, but nobody knows exactly what will happen because of all the variables. 
I don’t think that’s quite the case though, I suspect it’s more like somewhere along the way we forget who we really are, we become the thing we are embodying. Until death releases us from the objectification of experience we call life. 

The Astral realm isn’t so dissimilar to this one, only very much less coarse, less solid, less tangible. We can distinguish between imagination and dreams in this dimension, but in the astral they are very much real. Thoughts are things and vice versa. Probably this is why people caution against contacting beings from that plane or trying to visit. 

Something to consider, do we fear going to sleep at night? Do we fear those hours when we aren’t dreaming of complete nothingness devoid of our conscious awareness? For the most part we don’t, but only because we have had lots of practice and little choice. We shouldn’t fear death either, the only difference is we are stripped of our bodies, our baggage and even the personalities/identities we have picked up along the way. 
Only the essence, the soul, the core of our being remains, at first it’s in the astral but then should move on to to even higher states, from there the real mystery begins.

The problem with simulation theory is if we are just code, then there may not be anything next.

I used to be terrified to go to sleep at night when i was a kid.

Can't see much point in fearing nothingness devoid of consciousness now, because you would not feel anything or be anything, as far as i can establish.

Humans fear what we dont know or understand, it's part of the human condition, directly linked to the fight or flight mechanism, and rooted in evolution.

[SurferSoul]

It’s not just code Andy it’s information, everything is essentially information. 

I don’t think the simulation theory is quite right either as I actually said in my post, but it’s a decent analogy. 

There’s no such thing as nothingness that’s just something our brains call missing time, time is just there so we can process events.

[andy06shake]

It’s not just code Andy it’s information, everything is essentially information. 

I don’t think the simulation theory is quite right either as I actually said in my post, but it’s a decent analogy. 

There’s no such thing as nothingness that’s just something our brains call missing time, time is just there so we can process events.

Saying "everything is information" works as an idea, but information always needs something real to sit on, like energy and matter.

I agree with your analogy to a point, as simulation theory makes for a cool picture, but it's not really testable, so it's more philosophy than science, at least to date.

As for "nothing" well, physics shows there's always something happening.

Even empty space has energy bubbling about inside it, emanating from the quantum realm.  

Time isn't just in our heads, it's built into the very fabric of the universe.

Missing time feels real, but that's us, not time itself.

[Ray1990]

@andy06shake

Overcoming our animalistic brain is probably what got us here in the first place, there's no other animal that'll dwell on the past like us. if something kills and starts eating your offspring in front of you it'll scar you for life being a human, a deer? Literally chewing on leaves and stuff 5 minutes later.

Do you not think the boogeymen throughout history were often well defined? Imagination it might all be but there's definitely a historic drive to attempt to understand, at least by some. There's volumes of work regarding "the other side" throughout history.

I tend to agree though, we do fear what we don't know/understand but it's not a cut and dry thing, it's highly nuanced, how an individual reacts can change due to innumerable factors including what they did or didn't eat for dinner.

"Can't see much point in fearing nothingness devoid of consciousness now"

That might be the one thing humans fear the most when you think about it. Something is seemingly always better than nothing.

[andy06shake]

@andy06shake

Overcoming our animalistic brain is probably what got us here in the first place, there's no other animal that'll dwell on the past like us. if something kills and starts eating your offspring in front of you it'll scar you for life being a human, a deer? Literally chewing on leaves and stuff 5 minutes later.

Do you not think the boogeymen throughout history were often well defined? Imagination it might all be but there's definitely a historic drive to attempt to understand, at least by some. There's volumes of work regarding "the other side" throughout history.

I tend to agree though, we do fear what we don't know/understand but it's not a cut and dry thing, it's highly nuanced, how an individual reacts can change due to innumerable factors including what they did or didn't eat for dinner.

"Can't see much point in fearing nothingness devoid of consciousness now"

That might be the one thing humans fear the most when you think about it. Something is seemingly always better than nothing.

Nothing is ever as cut and dry as it seems.

And i think you are right about that fear.

Realistically through if you are devoid of consciousness.

You're not going to feel or experience anything.