Why do we not want to contact the other side?

[Ravenwatcher]

@GENERAL EYES

As the kids say FAFO

Isn't that the point enough of us finding out and not being afraid should trigger some kind of mutual existence. I have seen both sides to the point they no longer come for me I am no longer scared of them or "it" I used to be haunted sleep paralysis etc but once I figured out how to turn on them they disappeared - "I went Searching and they went hiding"

[AlroyFarms]

Isn't that the point enough of us finding out and not being afraid should trigger some kind of mutual existence. I have seen both sides to the point they no longer come for me I am no longer scared of them or "it" I used to be haunted sleep paralysis etc but once I figured out how to turn on them they disappeared - "I went Searching and the went hiding"

I just said I don't recommend it. Especially to the uninitiated. Even then I still don't recommend it. There's a whole universe to explore in each moment, but we routinely toss it in the bin calling it mundane.

So is it a quest of boredom? Unfulfilled desire? If you can't find what you're looking for when it's staring you in the face, you won't find anything else out there either except what you want to be presented with, minus everything else. 

Like I said, if you can't build a palace with nothing, you'll never feel at home.

Just my 2 Trump NFT's

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Speaking as someone who has dabbled in the Psychonautic realms and suffered from Schizophrenia for over 25 years, there are things behind certain mental perceptions you do NOT want to summon, encourage, attempt contact with or get involved with in any way shape or form.

A lot of people experiment, some go too far, but it leaves and impression onthe brain, and I've been having "visitations" and "experiences" with "otherworldly or interdimensional" matters since I was a child.

I strong encourage you to remain content with theorizing, rather than attempting to summon entities or consciousness into your mind or realm of influence and just let sleeping dogs lie.

That's just personal experience talking.

I think they're annoying and harmless. At least mine are. Only dangerous if you listen to them or care what they say.  And nothing gets rid of them. So I'm not sure if they even exist in the frontal cortex, or any part of the brain associated with schizo identity.

Just tell your other heads to fuck off or "that's what I get for taking too much acid." You can even make a game out of mocking them. Works for me.

My "occulty" advice was terrible though. I was encouraged to consider it like some gift or intermediary to the divine. With clarvoyance comes numinousness or some buzzword something. And you should definitely listen to them and your dreams! And enough crap to make one check out completely. 

And I still laugh at that advice, and kinda wanna shoot myself (jokingly) when I hear that, because they are the last things you want to plan around or make decisions from. Like asking to tell yourself what you want to hear to eventually hurt yourself. 

Every instance I have come across in the occult world has been some horny internet boy being fucked with. Usually by reading into everything way too much and doing it to themselves. 

Which is funny because they're INCEL internet boys getting screwed with, and kinda deserve it, but sad because it makes them become bigger assholes and misogynists, which does nothing for anyone, anywhere.

That's just my experience with the psychonaut or tulpa or demon or daemon or guiding spirit, or smokeless fire, or whatever people call it. 

But I also recommend people to use caution.. Because most cant handle it and promptly march themselves to the slaughterhouse.

[Kwaka]

Venturing into the unknown always has its unexpected risks, lot easier to scramble a brain than unscramble one. In exploring death, would start looking into Near Death Experience. Some common themes with a lot of individual variation.

Is this light at the end of the tunnel really just part of the spiritual machinery of this prison Planet? Is it those that fight the light or unprepared for death the ones that really get trapped on this Planet as their ghostly being gradually fades away?

As for how it all really works, expecting it is complicated. Especially as the definitions of being, spirit and identity become more murky upon death. The day is coming for all of us sooner or later, we will find out for sure then.

[Bootless]

Have you ever noticed how the original Tinkerbell never talks?
What if she was invisible too?
And didn't even ring.
How would a person know where she was as she flitted about?

It would be nice to tell these things, but alas!
What I fear is something turning up in some database as grounds for warrantless search and seizure, leading to extra-judicial beatings and incarceration.

Hey! Did somebody say dragons?


Lindsey Stirling - Something Wild ft. Andrew McMahon in the Wilderness

[greymagick]

People might find ghost hunting shows on television hokey and superficial, but from what I have seen, in terms of technological ways of making contact with ghosts/spirits, groups like the Ghost Adventures crew have made huge strides forward in making contact.  It's not just Electronic Voice Phenomena with digital recorders, but there are all manner of EMF volt meters and other gadgets they employ to get evidence of anomalous phenomena.  And they often get very good results.  Ghosts occupy the same space-time continuum that we do, but a few steps removed, apparently, but there are ways of making a connection to them, technologically.

[andy06shake]

I think our scientist friends have gotten so smart they are stupid. That may sound like malarkey, but consider the Wigner friend.

So you have a observer in a lab measuring a atom, he finds that it is spin up. Wigner is outside the lab, he has no clue what the spin is. Since he didn't measure it. That doesn't mean the atom is still in superposition, Wigner just doesn't know what the spin is. If he walks in the lab and ask the guy what the spin is, then he has the information, that he didn't have before.

Even if he walks in the lab ask the guy for the spin and he says it's up, then then Wigner measures it and the spin is down. That doesn't mean both are in to different universes. It could mean the atom just changed position.

The same thing with Schrodinger's cat. If you change the poison to dynamite or acid. You will definitively know if the atom decayed. Since the acid would eat through the box, or the dynamite would deform the box, or blow it apart.

If you made a box that could house the cat for more than the lifespan of the cat assuring it had food, water,and air. 35 years later when you open the box, you will not find a live cat, even if the atom never decayed. The cat was never in a superposition.

I think quantum mechanics only shows, the universe is not up and up. Not that everyone has there own universe. But we all do have our own reality. 

I couldn't watch it all, do to the guys seizure inducing CGI. And I play a lot of video games and have never felt like I did while watching that.

That's my take, I could be completely wrong.

You're not completely wrong, you're pointing at the key difference between knowledge and quantum states.

It's not just that Wigner "doesn’t know", quantum theory says the system remains in superposition until an interaction collapses it, like an observation. 

I don't think Schrodinger's cat paradox is supposed to be taken literally.

It's more like a parody showing how absurd superposition seems at macroscopic(where we exist) scales.

And at heart, quantum mechanics shows probabilities govern events, not certainties.

[MichSwampbuck]

How do you contact something that exists outside of spacetime?

Contact requires interaction, some exchange of energy, information, or influence within spacetime.

If none of that can happen, then the concept of "contact" doesn't even apply.

I totally agree with this one, it ain't here if it ain't here. Plus, this bull-hockey about extra-dimensions. The dimensions are just measurements of things that exist in our space-time. These dimensions are a coordinate system where space-time is measured and no single dimension of space-time can exist without all the others.

There are no objects that have length, depth, and width without duration, nor are there any objects that have duration but no length, depth and width. Add all the dimensions you want, it doesn't make anything exist that doesn't exist. Anything they can do related to some "dimension" occurs here and now, not in the elsewhere or some magical place outside of reality.

[GENERAL EYES]

@GENERAL EYES

As the kids say FAFO

Pretty much, yeah.  That's it exactly.  I was homeless for five years backpacking cross country and never had any problems until around 1998 when the "voices" started becoming aggressive and hostile, and I began having terrifying visions, and that was from having ONE dose years previous, then some street kids put some kind of liquid psychoactive in my coffee outside of Berkley without my knowledge and consent around 2002 and things just got worse and more intense from there.

The city I was living in at the time had all sorts of occultists and I definitely felt I was being targeted by them, moved several times and the flavor of the harassment just changed, it was still dark and manevolent.  Recently, it's been occultic and more "spirit" related, "visitors" in the house and minor posessions are the best way to describe them....tricksters, young in nature with infinite energy targeted to harass and prevent sleep or coherent thinking and all sorts of wild storylines during the episodes.

Had my last episodic break several months ago and the inpatient facility kept playing "Hotel California" over the in house radio intercom.

I felt tht was just rubbing salt in the wound.

The majority of my old posting on ATS discussed various covert operations, occultics, aliens, gangstalking, my military history and various psychotroic electronic warfare and their connection to my  symptoms, but alas, the majority of those works are long gone, and I really don't want to revisit that world again if I can avoid it any further.

They've gotten into my phone and computer more than once, and almost destroyed my finaces, and that's all I have to say about that.

Tulpas, demons, the "otherworldly" are where they are for the reasons that they are, some might consider them playful, but they can really throw you for a loop when things get too intense.

[UltraBudgie]

Had my last episodic break several months ago and the inpatient facility kept playing "Hotel California" over the in house radio intercom.

I felt tht was just rubbing salt in the wound.

That's horrific. In fact forced radio intercom should be considered malpractice. It's sad how much 'music' has undertones of occult demonic mind control programming when you actually listen to the lyrics. Doesn't mean there's secret cabals planning it all, of course (in my opinion); it seems to simply be a 'feature' of this world/reality experience itself. Shrug.

Edit to tangentially note: One could I suppose say it's a feature of how the human mind works, finding hidden patterns and significance, such as in songs. Similar to how the Mandela Effect could be misrememberings due to the fallibility of human memory. But it raises the same question -- okay, then why is what is noticed to a large part common and similar between separate individuals, rather than a gazillion unique and different significances/misrememberings? It is a bit of a mystery.