08-05-2025, 06:43 PM
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08-05-2025, 06:59 PM
(08-05-2025, 06:12 PM)Maxmars Wrote: My faith takes a certain form, anyone else's faith will take on the form of the person...I hope the rough times alleviate for you. On the most basic level you don't owe me any explanation of your faith. Labelling and categorizing is a thing I try to do. Some people don't care for labels. I won't probe anymore.
There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - Commander William Adama
(08-05-2025, 10:42 AM)Maxmars Wrote: If there was no separation between thought and truth... this would be entirely different conversation... What do you mean? Quote:I wonder if we could even conceive of the idea of God at all... Well, the question wasn't about what that situation would be like for humans, it was whether or not god would still exist. So the argument is not moot, and the metaphor irrelevant. And you did finally answer the question! Thanks for that. Quote:Of course, my faith does not "create" God. So you say. And you say this based purely on your faith, which as you say is a very personal and subjective thing. So I hope you understand that, to an atheist, it sounds exactly like tinker bell.
08-06-2025, 09:44 AM
(08-05-2025, 06:43 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Yes God exists and no I don't know the true nature of God. That's sort of where I am on this as well. I seriously asked/prayed God or whatever force for help one time and only one time in my life and I got it immediately. Every other time before that in church, I just prayed, or pretended to pray without heart, mind or soul due to a lack of understanding or proper teaching, therefore a void existed in my belief system, but no longer. As for the church and their teachings, they leave much to be desired, or did leave much to be desired - probably still do, but I'm not interested enough to find out.
"The only journey is the one within."
08-06-2025, 09:54 AM
usually what people seem to be talking about is two things, first an experience of higher power that extends beyond the limits of individual perception, and second an understanding of self and worldview that usefully reconciles that perception with ongoing life experience. in the spiritually stagnant those two are consistently one, whereas those walking the path may exhibit oscillations as the faith keeping them centred is more of an inner light.
08-06-2025, 09:57 AM
(08-06-2025, 09:44 AM)quintessentone Wrote: That's sort of where I am on this as well. I seriously asked/prayed God or whatever force for help one time and only one time in my life and I got it immediately. Every other time before that in church, I just prayed, or pretended to pray without heart, mind or soul due to a lack of understanding or proper teaching, therefore a void existed in my belief system, but no longer. As for the church and their teachings, they leave much to be desired, or did leave much to be desired - probably still do, but I'm not interested enough to find out. There's a stark difference between God and religion, IMHO
08-06-2025, 10:15 AM
(08-06-2025, 09:57 AM)DBCowboy Wrote: There's a stark difference between God and religion, IMHO I agree, religious congregation never gave me what I needed, that being heart, soul, mindfulness, compassion, empathy or love. Some of the meanest adult people I met as a child were in church. I once asked an older woman sitting beside me in church, why only girls and women needed to cover our heads, she angrily replied "Because you have to." That's me, always asking the big questions and getting no answers.
"The only journey is the one within."
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