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Voyager hits wall of fire at edge of solar system 54,000-90,000 degrees Fahrenheit
#11
(06-14-2025, 08:52 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: What do you mean "long time ago"? We are traveling very, very fast right now.

[Video: https://youtu.be/fJuaPyQFrYk?si=72DCNfj9nPFsmpcL]


Again, if we look at what random events which could possibly interfere with our system's trajectory, so far so lucky IMO.
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#12
(06-14-2025, 08:56 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: But it is only there to be seen because without it being the way it is, there would be nothing to look at it. 

No luck at all. Ether it is the way it is or nothing would be in its place.

I look at the unpredictability of the cosmos, so in my mind, any new random thing thrown into the mix can effect changes.
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#13
(06-14-2025, 08:59 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I look at the unpredictability of the cosmos, so in my mind, any new random thing thrown into the mix can effect changes.

But can you prove anything is unpredictable or random? 

Any unpredictability or randomness is just naturel occurrences that we don't understand the nature of yet.

Much like the announcement in the op, not a surprise to anyone that is familiar with the theories of way interstellar space works. It just reduces the possible theories by elimination several of them.
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#14
(06-14-2025, 09:05 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: But can you prove anything is unpredictable or random? 

Any unpredictability or randomness is just naturel occurrences that we don't understand the nature of yet.

For instance, in my mind, I see our solar system dragging with us the asteroid belts which surround our system, which by its nature looks like it would not take much to change things up in a big way like a domino effect.


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#15
(06-14-2025, 09:18 AM)quintessentone Wrote: For instance, in my mind, I see our solar system dragging with us the asteroid belts which surround our system, which by its nature looks like it would not take much to change things up in a big way like a domino effect.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIW04U9GmRU]

But the asteroid belts you refer to are within and part of our solar system. Just like planets and such. Each rock in its own orbit of the Sun. Nothing really random because it could all be calculated if enough computing power existed. Nothing is being dragged, just all part of a whole.

That is a nice video of explaining nothing is random, we just don't fully understand how it all works yet.
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#16
(06-14-2025, 09:45 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: But the asteroid belts you refer to are within and part of our solar system. Just like planets and such. Each rock in its own orbit of the Sun. Nothing really random because it could all be calculated if enough computing power existed. Nothing is being dragged, just all part of a whole.

That is a nice video of explaining nothing is random, we just don't fully understand how it all works yet.

Our solar system may not be random in that sense, but if we are moving through the cosmos as a whole, including the belts, then any random object or force (magnetic etc.) could migrate into or affect our system's space and create changes which could create a domino effect. Do you see how the heliosphere's shape changes depending upon outside forces? Any way, it's interesting to expand one's mind to possibilities and speculations.
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#17
(06-14-2025, 09:49 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Our solar system may not be random in that sense, but if we are moving through the cosmos as a whole, including the belts, then any random object or force (magnetic etc.) could migrate into or affect our system's space and create changes which could create a domino effect. Do you see how the heliosphere's shape changes depending upon outside forces? Any way, it's interesting to expand one's mind to possibilities and speculations.

But again, the changes in the heliospbere are not random. Just from forces we don't fully understand or possibly measure at the moment. 

If a light bulb burns out and you trip over furniture looking for a flashlight, is any of that random. The life expectancy one bulb is predictable within reason. The furniture is in the room. You can't see in the dark, especially when it was just brightly lit. All of the factors causing the trip are predictable and not really random. Do you see what I am getting at? Things only look random because an individual might not understand everything that led up to a given event.
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#18
(06-14-2025, 10:01 AM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: But again, the changes in the heliospbere are not random. Just from forces we don't fully understand or possibly measure at the moment. 

If a light bulb burns out and you trip over furniture looking for a flashlight, is any of that random. The life expectancy one bulb is predictable within reason. The furniture is in the room. You can't see in the dark, especially when it was just brightly lit. All of the factors causing the trip are predictable and not really random. Do you see what I am getting at? Things only look random because an individual might not understand everything that led up to a given event.

Actually, in the video I posted they implied our travel through the cosmos may be subject to random forces which may migrate towards us. 

I see what you are getting at, but if we are moving then other parts of the cosmos must also too be moving and we really can't rule out random organized chaos and domino effects via other migrating bodies or forces.
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#19
Hey BK!
By a long time ago I meant the size of our Solar System “wake”, meaning time-wise when we actually physically passed the position where the Voyager actually later encountered the “Wall of Fire”. In other words the length of our wake in terms of time and distance.

Perhaps I’m not being clear enough about what I meant. Oh well.

Enjoyed the video though. Pretty cool.


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#20
(06-14-2025, 10:06 AM)Tecate Wrote: Hey BK!
By a long time ago I meant the size of our Solar System “wake”, meaning time-wise when we actually physically passed the position where the Voyager actually later encountered the “Wall of Fire”. In other words the length of our wake in terms of time and distance.

Perhaps I’m not being clear enough about what I meant. Oh well.

Enjoyed the video though. Pretty cool.


Tecate

Some get distances and time confused from the measurements. Light years, light minutes and so on.

That is the best video I have found so far showing the motion of our solar system.

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