Vladimir Putin 'spits in Trump's face'

[andy06shake]

https://www.rt.com/russia/628741-corrupt...stern-aid/
It’s your money Zelenskyy took and was given by you, into his pocket
But that’s ok, because merika

Sorry, i can't get that page to load properly, and that's with and without a VPN turned on. 



It's also whataboutisum.

Nor does it change the fact that Russia flung their best and brightest into the fray, went in hard as they could, trying to seize an airport.

And got their arses handed to them by Ukrainian reservists and raw recruits.

Suffice it to say, they will always have money for war.

Just to add, I'm not from America, I'm from the other side of the pond.

[andy06shake]

Certainly doesn’t look like God is blessing the Uke’s
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/2...or-ukraine
of course Zelenskyy is innocent. 
ukraine was not a sovereign independent nation after the Western colour revolution 
Why would Putin ease up and offer a deal when he is in control, brain dead to accept any type of bargain when he is in control 
Grow up all of you, use your brain

The fact is, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, Russia literally signed documents saying so.

"Colour revolution" isn't a magic spell that voids independence.

And Putin being "in control" is like saying a guy juggling chainsaws is "relaxed."

As to blaming God for battlefield outcomes?

That's bold.

If heaven were picking sides.

I doubt it would endorse invading your neighbour like it's a Black Friday sale.

[ElitePlebeian]

Your argument doesn't fail because i said so Elite.

If falls apart because it relies on assumptions that don't match reality.

Funding Ukraine wasn't some random "endless tap."

It prevented the entire nation from collapsing and stopped Russia from steamrolling over half of Europe.

Peace talks aren't magical events that appear when you pressure both sides.

They require one side not to be actively invading.

Suggesting Trump produced "progress" by urging talks ignores that Russia only negotiates when militarily cornered.

Not when politely asked.

Pretending otherwise isn't strategic thinking.

It's just oversimplifying a complex situation to fit a convenient narrative.

Russia’s behavior is diabolical, they dont want peace, they want more time to take more land.

It just doesnt fail.

2 things can be true at the same time, it can be an endless money drain and stop Russia from gaining ground and Ukraine to collapse.

And you contradict yourself: on one hand you say no boots on the ground because of the death it will cause but on the other you say let them fight forever. Because thats the only outcome of pouring in money, thats a proven fact.

When Russia already used boots on the ground of other nations, why isnt Ukraine allowed to do so? We should have done so the moment Russia made it an even more uneven fight and use foreign boots themselves, anything else is showing weakness and Russia will and has abused any weakness.

History is full of one side actively invading or a full on war while also having peace talks. So that is just factually wrong. Peace doesnt start with a magical peace. It starts with a ceasefire and a ceasefire starts with talking. And a ceasefire is exactly what is included in Trumps talks. Not sure why I have to explain that but ok.

[Kurokage]

Certainly doesn’t look like God is blessing the Uke’s
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/2...or-ukraine
of course Zelenskyy is innocent. 
ukraine was not a sovereign independent nation after the Western colour revolution 
Why would Putin ease up and offer a deal when he is in control, brain dead to accept any type of bargain when he is in control 
Grow up all of you, use your brain

I think being a Putin sympathizer is not using your brain my friend.

Kievan Rus aside, Ukraine as it is seen in the 20th century became an independent sovereign nation in 1991 after the fall of the USSR.

[Kurokage]

When Russia already used boots on the ground of other nations, why isnt Ukraine allowed to do so? We should have done so the moment Russia made it an even more uneven fight, anything else is showing weakness and Russia will and has abused any weakness.

I don't think sending western troops to help fight Russian forces is going to help end this war, it will only escalate it.
There's still billions of Russian assets sat in banks around the world, I think using some of that to help supply Ukraine with equipment, allowing Ukraine to strike further into Russia, and supplying accurate data for strikes is the best we can do.
Putin is killing his own country with the military demands made on it's people, and it is taking it toll.

[andy06shake]

It just doesnt fail.

2 things can be true at the same time, it can be an endless money drain and stop Russia from gaining ground and Ukraine to collapse.

And you contradict yourself: on one hand you say no boots on the ground because of the death it will cause but on the other you say let them fight forever. Because thats the only outcome of pouring in money, thats a proven fact.

When Russia already used boots on the ground of other nations, why isnt Ukraine allowed to do so? We should have done so the moment Russia made it an even more uneven fight, anything else is showing weakness and Russia will and has abused any weakness.

"Endless money drain"???

Buddy, defending Europe for pennies on the pound/dollar is the opposite of a drain.

If anything, it's a "Costco" version of security.

And "letting them fight forever"?

No, that's called preventing a forever war by stopping the invader now instead of later.

When the bill get's truly astronomical and goes through the roof.

As for Western boots on the ground, the goal is to avoid World War Pokemon("everyone choose a fighter").

Ukraine isn't weak, they're outnumbered.

Helping them isn't a weakness.

It's making sure Putin doesn't get a loyalty card for conquering more of his peaceful neighbours. 

[ElitePlebeian]

I don't think sending western troops to help fight Russian forces is going to help end this war, it will only escalate it.
There's still billions of Russian assets sat in banks around the world, I think using some of that to help supply Ukraine with equipment, allowing Ukraine to strike further into Russia, and supplying accurate data for strikes is the best we can do.
Putin is killing his own country with the military demands made on it's people, and it is taking it toll.

And I dont, Russia will always have assets to keep fighting. And Ukraine will never be powerful enough to push Russia out. On top of that Ukrainians are sick of being drafted when their leader doesnt show much intention to be involved in the peace talks.

[andy06shake]

And I dont, Russia will always have assets to keep fighting. And Ukraine will never be powerful enough to push Russia out. On top of that Ukrainians are sick of being drafted when their leader doesnt show much intention to be involved in the peace talks.

By that reasoning, David should've just mailed Goliath a fruit basket and called it quits. 

[ElitePlebeian]

"Endless money drain"???

Buddy, defending Europe for pennies on the pound/dollar is the opposite of a drain.

If anything, it's a "Costco" version of security.

And "letting them fight forever"?

No, that's called preventing a forever war by stopping the invader now instead of later.

When the bill get's truly astronomical and goes through the roof.

As for Western boots on the ground, the goal is to avoid World War Pokemon("everyone choose a fighter").

Ukraine isn't weak, they're outnumbered.

Helping them isn't a weakness.

It's making sure Putin doesn't get a loyalty card for conquering more of his peaceful neighbours. 

What of the whole war makes you think more money will change anything? Its trying the same thing over and over hoping of a different outcome. You know the definition of that.

And the bill was astronomical already, and was influencing our economies. And also much of the money wasnt even used for the war but to line politicians pockets.

Its time for a different approach and if it doesnt work we at least know. And that is indeed progress. We were in the complete dark, and now we switched on the light and we know the direction. That is progress.

[ElitePlebeian]

By that reasoning, David should've just mailed Goliath a fruit basket and called it quits. 

With that analogy there would never be peace talks but ok.