Venezuela, Americas Kiev?

[UltraBudgie]

Because that explains your shallow comprehension of politics and international politics
You advocate protecting your borders by invading a foreign national but bemoan Russia doing the same to protect their boarders and people
Ukraine is on Russias border, Venezuela is thousands of kms away from the US
The whole thread is a reflection of the US doing similar to what Russia is doing. 

But, the US is doing it to steal Venezuelan oil, simply because the US are the only ones capable of refining it in bulk
Bitch on about Russia but, the US is just as bad and you can’t see it because “Merika”
You can’t be that simple?

You seem confused. America is not Russia. The same standards do not apply. Charges of hypocrisy only apply when the principals are interchangeable, and they are not: we are superior.

The Monroe Doctrine expressed it clearly:

The occasion has been judged proper for asserting, as a principle in which the rights and interests of the United States are involved, that the American continents, by the free and independent condition which they have assumed and maintain, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers.

We owe it, therefore, to candor and to the amicable relations existing between the United States and those powers to declare that we should consider any attempt on their part to extend their system to any portion of this hemisphere as dangerous to our peace and safety. With the existing colonies or dependencies of any European power, we have not interfered and shall not interfere. But with the Governments who have declared their independence and maintained it, and whose independence we have, on great consideration and on just principles, acknowledged, we could not view any interposition for the purpose of oppressing them, or controlling in any other manner their destiny, by any European power in any other light than as the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

The same principle applies today, in larger scope: Russia, China, and Iran are included too, of course. South America is ours.

[FlyersFan]

Because that explains your shallow comprehension of politics and international politics  You advocate protecting your borders by invading a foreign national but bemoan Russia doing the same to protect their boarders and people

Talk about shallow comprehension!

The people of Ukraine did nothing to Russia.   After 35 years of sovereign independence, which Russia agreed with, Russia changed it's mind and invaded Ukraine, slaughtering the citizens who did nothing to cause the invasion.  Russia did so because of expansionist policy and not for any kind of imagined 'self defense'.

Venezuela, on the other hand, has a narco-terrorist government that is illegitimate and that is involved in running drugs into America to make money and that slaughters millions of Americans.   Venezuelas government IS doing something to harm America.   Therefore America blowing up boats full of illegal drugs coming to America is engaging in self defense.

Big difference.

[FlyersFan]

 South America is ours.

Actually, we are South America's.
With the 30 million illegals, and their offspring, in this country.
And the threat of another 'open borders' liberal in 2028 from the Democrats ...
we are being over run.

[Creaky]

Talk about shallow comprehension!

The people of Ukraine did nothing to Russia.   After 35 years of sovereign independence, which Russia agreed with, Russia changed it's mind and invaded Ukraine, slaughtering the citizens who did nothing to cause the invasion.  Russia did so because of expansionist policy and not for any kind of imagined 'self defense'.

Venezuela, on the other hand, has a narco-terrorist government that is illegitimate and that is involved in running drugs into America to make money and that slaughters millions of Americans.   Venezuelas government IS doing something to harm America.   Therefore America blowing up boats full of illegal drugs coming to America is engaging in self defense.

Big difference.

Yeah, 10 year civil war, Slavs killing Russians is great 
You are boring an uneducated

[Creaky]

You seem confused. America is not Russia. The same standards do not apply. Charges of hypocrisy only apply when the principals are interchangeable, and they are not: we are superior.

The Monroe Doctrine expressed it clearly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

The same principle applies today, in larger scope: Russia, China, and Iran are included too, of course. South America is ours.

Ok, cool, didn’t know that

[UltraBudgie]

Ok, cool, didn’t know that

Ah, is that the sound of pigeon-holing I hear? Don't feel you have to hold back. Really, if you look at American foreign policy it is historically congruent with that explanation and ideology, more than any other. I think we're at a point in history where glossing the realpolitik with moral platitudes is no longer necessary. Besides, the varnish has grown quite thin, wouldn't you agree? Is that a bad thing?

[FlyersFan]

You are boring an uneducated

No, I'm not.
But you are ridiculous.
(you are the poor schlub who thinks Noahs Ark is real .. talk about uneducated!)
It's not a civil war.
Ukraine has been an independent sovereign nation for 35 years.
Russia even acknowledged it.

[Creaky]

Ah, is that the sound of pigeon-holing I hear? Don't feel you have to hold back. Really, if you look at American foreign policy it is historically congruent with that explanation and ideology, more than any other. I think we're at a point in history where glossing the realpolitik with moral platitudes is no longer necessary. Besides, the varnish has grown quite thin, wouldn't you agree? Is that a bad thing?

Not sure the euphemism re pidgeon holing
I am not here to win a war, just understand why I might be wrong
Guess my question, is the US only interested in oil?

[Creaky]

No, I'm not.
But you are ridiculous.
It's not a civil war.
Ukraine has been an independent sovereign nation for 35 years.
Russia even acknowledged it.

Ukraine was in a civil war for 10 years before Russia invaded

[FlyersFan]

Ukraine was in a civil war for 10 years before Russia invaded

Then you admit that Russia invaded.   
Well that's progress.
Now just admit that Russia wasn't in any danger and there was no need to invade.
Then you'll be just fine.
Russian backed separatists causing trouble in Ukraine isn't a viable reason for 
Russia to invade.