Venezuela, Americas Kiev?

[Bootless]

... screw a countries sovereignty, it’s people, it has liquid gold and needs milking. 
Blame drugs? 
...
So, who has a good reason for USA to invade?
Make me believe

I'll give it a try (note: not that I necessarily agree with it).

Once upon a time there were several empires competing for resources, such as Great Britain, Spain, France, Netherlands, Russia, Germany (by different names).

One of the biggest prizes was the poorly defended North and South America. Colonialism by the empires was the game then, with resources shipped back home. Eventually the colonies declared independence from the empires.

The United States was first to unite colonies in North America. They beat out or bought out French, English, Spanish and Russian held territories, and proceeded to become an Empire in its own right through expansion into poorly defended indigenous lands.

Fast forward to post WWII Cold War. The Empires start backing off on Colonialism by degrees, but the U.S. and Soviet Union were still expanding. Now "spheres of Influence" become more important. The big powers become suzerains. Let me quote Wikipedia: Suzerainty

A suzerain (/ˈsuːzərən, -reɪn/, from Old French sus "above" + soverain "supreme, chief") is a person, state or polity who has supremacy and dominant influence over the foreign policy and economic relations of another subordinate party or polity, but allows internal autonomy to that subordinate. Where the subordinate polity is called a vassal, vassal state or tributary state, the dominant party is called the suzerain. The rights and obligations of a vassal are called vassalage, and the rights and obligations of a suzerain are called suzerainty.

Your title for this thread gives a clue:
Just like Russia demands suzerain control over Ukraine, making Ukraine's foreign and economic relations policies for them, the U.S. demands that all of North and South American countries, including Canada and Greenland become vassal states to the U.S.

Basically, it's because NeoCon (Imperialist) and Neoliberal (no government oversight of business) interests have merged in the U.S. political power structure, that Venezuela must bend the knee to the U.S. just like Ukraine must bend the knee to Russia.

We must coerce or kill our way to victory or Laissez-faire Capitalism will fall to Marxism.

Something like that anyway.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Venezuela is just the start, unless you have information otherwise,

We'jj be bombing Mexico soon.

We need a "this is just the start" thing now?  The world is on notice! 

Things done in stages of ramped up aggression tend to be connected to governments that violate a whole lot of sovereignty in the process.

So bomb Mexico without authorization? 

So then that happens and I have to shit on Mexico or support terrorism, right? As a true American I must sing gung ho for the destruction of the defined enemies of society, regardless of international law and respect? Or even reality sometimes. 

And then when Canada joins Mexico in condemning us violating their sovereignty, what do i do then? 

Do I boo every singing of "Oh Canada" in professional sports thereafter, or what's the protocol for turning on countries we were allies with until 2024?  

As a country, we really are starting to have a global image of a guy with a really small dick bullying and picking fights to compensate. 

Like, why dont we just bomb the factories in China that make the precursor fentanyl chemicals and hit the source?  Hypersonic nukes?

[UltraBudgie]

Are you really trying to throw a wrench in the gears of state with hysterics that we might annoy Canada?

Canada is a very nice country and our friend. They might not support our actions and allies as much as we'd like, but they're far from an enemy.

And I very much doubt that Mexico is an imminent hard target. There's plenty of motion of internal reformation happening there. But they certainly are watching development closely. As is Cuba.

[DontTreadOnMe]

More food for thought as to why Maduro should not be in power.
Looking back twenty years, puts several administrations in or near the spider web woven by Venezuela and its allies.
Explosive letter from Maduro's former intelligence chief to Trump links Cuba to the Cartel of the Suns
  

According to the former intelligence chief, it was Havana that suggested using cocaine as a weapon to weaken the United States, a deliberate policy that was executed by Chavismo with the support of the FARC, ELN, Hezbollah, and Cuban intelligence agents.

...
 
It goes even further and asserts that U.S. diplomats and agents were bribed to support the regimes of Chávez and Maduro, operating as double agents in favor of Cuba and Venezuela.
"Some are still active to this day," he warned.
 

Ex-Venezuelan Spy Chief’s Explosive Letter to Trump Alleges Maduro-Led Narco Campaign Against US

EXCLUSIVE: Former Maduro Spy Chief’s Letter To Trump Seeks To Expose Narco-Terrorist War Against U.S.

 The DX Brief

• Former Venezuelan intelligence chief Hugo Carvajal — once a top Chávez and Maduro insider — pleaded guilty in U.S. federal court in June and now warns that Venezuela is a “narco-terrorist organization” intentionally targeting the United States.
  
• Carvajal alleges the Maduro regime weaponized cocaine, collaborated with FARC, ELN, Cuban intelligence, and Hezbollah, and exported violent criminal networks — including Tren de Aragua — into the United States.
  
• He asserts Venezuelan and Cuban intelligence infiltrated U.S. institutions for two decades, including military installations.
  
• He claims Smartmatic was developed inside Venezuela as an election-manipulation tool later deployed abroad.
  
• Carvajal says he supports Trump’s Venezuela policies and stands ready to provide further details to federal authorities.
  

[DontTreadOnMe]

And I very much doubt that Mexico is an imminent hard target. There's plenty of motion of internal reformation happening there. But they certainly are watching development closely. As is Cuba.

See my previous post.
Cuba is doing a lot more than watching.

[Bootless]

More food for thought as to why Maduro should not be in power.
Looking back twenty years, puts several administrations in or near the spider web woven by Venezuela and its allies.

Your argument seems to be that the U.S. can and must accept every Curveball plea deal induced piece of info as fact, and the U.S. must be the World Police.

We'll see if the OP is convinced.

[Creaky]

Do you support cartels?

If so, why?

No

[Creaky]

I'll give it a try (note: not that I necessarily agree with it).

Once upon a time there were several empires competing for resources, such as Great Britain, Spain, France, Netherlands, Russia, Germany (by different names).

One of the biggest prizes was the poorly defended North and South America. Colonialism by the empires was the game then, with resources shipped back home. Eventually the colonies declared independence from the empires.

The United States was first to unite colonies in North America. They beat out or bought out French, English, Spanish and Russian held territories, and proceeded to become an Empire in its own right through expansion into poorly defended indigenous lands.

Fast forward to post WWII Cold War. The Empires start backing off on Colonialism by degrees, but the U.S. and Soviet Union were still expanding. Now "spheres of Influence" become more important. The big powers become suzerains. Let me quote Wikipedia: Suzerainty

Your title for this thread gives a clue:
Just like Russia demands suzerain control over Ukraine, making Ukraine's foreign and economic relations policies for them, the U.S. demands that all of North and South American countries, including Canada and Greenland become vassal states to the U.S.

Basically, it's because NeoCon (Imperialist) and Neoliberal (no government oversight of business) interests have merged in the U.S. political power structure, that Venezuela must bend the knee to the U.S. just like Ukraine must bend the knee to Russia.

We must coerce or kill our way to victory or Laissez-faire Capitalism will fall to Marxism.

Something like that anyway.

Well, at least we are not pretending with an answer like that 
Can’t disagree

[cherokeetroy]

Venezuela is a drop in the ocean of cartels that run this world 

Americans should be looking at our own government

[CriticalStinker]

Venezuela is a drop in the ocean of cartels that run this world 

Americans should be looking at our own government

Many know it has very little to do with cartels.

By almost all official record, as you pointed out, they’re a drop in the bucket.

Maduro is a massive piece of shit and dictator… But there’s no shortage of dictators in the world. If I remember correctly, we were supposed to stop being the global police and no new wars. It was a massive part of the campaign. But then again, so was reducing debt, draining the swamp, and reducing cost on consumers. But we’re increasing debt, pardoning more politicians than going after them, and affordability is now a hoax.

This doesn’t make Trump some huge boogey man or the worst president ever. It just makes him one of them, business as usual. There’s arguments that he may still be better than Harris, but I don’t see how people can believe he’s the best president ever or “saving the country”. This is just status quo. I’m sure someone may say we’re only about a year in, but that’s a year in to the second term.

To me, it’s just sad the lessons weren’t learned with Iraq. They’re not even trying to sell this to the American people. Most Americans don’t want this, and we don’t need to look at polls to conclude that. It was never a talking point aside from the fringes before now, and still the only people who push it are partisans and pundits.