UFOs And Stopped Clocks

[Sirius]

Why place the warping of space-time out there with black holes when gravity is right under our feet? Something that is already exotic shouldn't have to be embellished.

The tldr on this stuff is time and space is linked, space and gravity is also linked and therefore gravity and time is linked. 

What is time dilation, and how does it affect something we use every day: GPS?
https://pilotswhoaskwhy.com/2021/03/14/g...-what-the/

Dr. Ronald Mallett explains it better than me

[Karl12]

Cool.

https://archive.org/details/visitors_fro...3/mode/2up

Awesome - didn't know that book was on Archive.org - bravo!

Here's Preston Dennett (who really knows his way around the APRO, NUFORC, NICAP, MUFON etc..files) describing another freaky incident.

The case involves a Frenchman hearing a whistling sound then seeing a low level, large, glowing, flattened sphere surrounded by a greenish halo which emitted 'light beams'.

Animal reaction from cows and dogs and apparently all three of the guy's alarm clocks stopped at the same time.





See 19:20

[UltraBudgie]

I just got a really chilly feeling thing about the investigation of explanation for these events. Like, the paths and speculation we try to piece together are some kind of garden path, a planned journey of trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Being toyed with, like a cat with a mouse. "Here, let's give you this to puzzle over, so you get all focused on this, so you stumble towards this, and can't stop because nothing ever quite resolves to firm ground..."

It reminded me of this comment from the White House:

The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

Of course such things are all warm and fuzzy when it's our politicans doing it, because they love us, but aliens? Or something non-human?

Is this the game NHI is playing? Is the only winning move not to play, or is such "giving up" what we've been led to all along?

Aargh!

[CCoburn]

Time


Time is a very abstract dimension. It can be specific to the microcosm or macrocosm. If you take a microcosmic timeline for example, and collapse that time dimension (death), so the macrocosmic and all other microcosmic time vectors continue on normally and experience time, but the collapsed time vector does not experience any of this time dimension at all, and while the continuing timelines may experience billions of years the recurring soul will only experience a single moment.

[Karl12]

I just got a really chilly feeling thing about the investigation of explanation for these events. Like, the paths and speculation we try to piece together are some kind of garden path, a planned journey of trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Being toyed with, like a cat with a mouse. "Here, let's give you this to puzzle over, so you get all focused on this, so you stumble towards this, and can't stop because nothing ever quite resolves to firm ground..."

Mate I could not agree more.

Don't know if UFO research is a zero sum game but these objects (and occupants) definitely seem to be putting on some kind of 'display'.

Certain aspects from different cases in different countries also seem to line up and water collection, 'solid' looking light beams, pendulum motion, colour change during acceleration etc. all seems to be factors.

Regarding other freaky cases there are two Ecuadorian motor vehicle reports below (from the same year) which sound very strange - the Police report in the first case states how two rally drivers described their car being 'levitated' by a dense, yellowish light.

Afterwards their odometer showed they'd covered 52 KM (when they should have covered 127 KM) and the journey, which shouldn't have taken more than 75 minutes, had in fact taken 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Could be nothing but the 'curtain of light' described by the rally drivers sounds pretty similar to what Gary Wood described in Scotland (6:00).

The base lit the ground, although you really couldn’t see what it was lighting, that is to say, you couldn’t see through the light. A few seconds later, the light…how can I explain it? …retracted itself or drew up like a curtain, from bottom to top, and all that remained in view was an oval, whitish-yellow light that kept heading west until it vanished in the distance,” said Acevedo.

Argentina: Police Report Documents 1978 UFO Teleportation / Main Link

This other 1978 Argentine car levitation incident is also bizarre and being 'bathed in pleasant feelings' is similar to what the Devereaux family described.

..During the night of July 6, 1978, they travelled on board an old Chrysler 1933, in direction of the town of Maipu, when suddenly, to their great astonishment, their vehicle was deviated from its road and lifted in the airs, as if the force of gravitation did not intervene any more. At the same time, the engine of the car stopped inexplicably while the car's radio still functioned. They were thus in full rise, while "being bathed in pleasant feelings", according to their later statements.

Link

[Karl12]

Why place the warping of space-time out there with black holes when gravity is right under our feet?

It all gets a bit too technical for me after a certain point mate but did enjoy listening to this physicist who reckons time 'doesn't exist' - this other Professor also states there are objects outside our spacetime.

I don't pretend to have any idea what's going on but some of the ideas out there are truly fascinating so thanks for the link - apparently even Stephen Hawking had to do a U turn and admit time travel was 'possible'.

The embarrassing thing, however, was that no matter how hard physicists tried, they could not find a law to prevent time travel. Apparently, time travel seems to be consistent with the known laws of physics. Unable to find any physical law that makes time travel impossible, Hawking recently changed his mind. He made headlines when he said, 'Time travel may be possible, but it is not practical..'

Prof Michio Kaku on the science behind UFOs and time travel

[Karl12]

Time

Time is a very abstract dimension. It can be specific to the microcosm or macrocosm. If you take a microcosmic timeline for example, and collapse that time dimension (death), so the macrocosmic and all other microcosmic time vectors continue on normally and experience time, but the collapsed time vector does not experience any of this time dimension at all..

Interesting post mate and probably the one constant in all the thousands of NDE reports (other than bright light) is the sense of 'timelessness' - don't know what your thoughts are on the UFO angle but Tim Swartz engages in some speculation below about internal time frames and objects creating alterations in local states.

This could explain some of the stranger aspects of UFO encounters, such as environmental sounds disappearing, isolation, the freezing of motors and electronic devices, and the feeling of time slowing down, stretching out, and losing all meaning. The UFO is literally creating an alteration in the local state of space-time, thus generating a major distortion effect that is experienced by the witness. Within this time anomaly the perceived forward motion of time could even disappear, allowing for the past, present, and future to intrude upon one another.

Link

[Sirius]

It all gets a bit too technical for me after a certain point mate but did enjoy listening to this physicist who reckons time 'doesn't exist' - this other Professor also states there are objects outside our spacetime.

I don't pretend to have any idea what's going on but some of the ideas out there are truly fascinating so thanks for the link - apparently even Stephen Hawking had to do a U turn and admit time travel was 'possible'.

I like the technical stuff.  Those guys are out "there", we need to get from here to "there".  The phenomenon is here, the theory is out there.

How do we get from here to there?  By building things.

[CCoburn]

Interesting post mate and probably the one constant in all the thousands of NDE reports (other than bright light) is the sense of 'timelessness' - don't know what your thoughts are on the UFO angle but Tim Swartz engages in some speculation below about internal time frames and objects creating alterations in local states.

Whenever consciousness is suspended for whatever reason times ceases to exist for that individual. This is why I say that time and consciousness are like two sides of the same coin – remove one or the other and the coin ceases to exist. You might even be more accurate saying something like: the birth of any individual consciousness is the creation of a new timeline.

Deep sleep states are another example of how individual(microcosmic) time can be compressed and distorted(when dreaming).

Not to be confused with macrocosmic time which is all of the motion/movement that we observe that is external to us and began when the universe was created.

[Karl12]

I like the technical stuff.  Those guys are out "there", we need to get from here to "there".  The phenomenon is here, the theory is out there.

Ha good one mate and whatever these objects turn out to be I suppose 'extra-temporal' should be included right up there on the possible origin hypotheses list - especially considering the vast array of different reported UFO shapes (and occupants) and very specific, intense UFO 'flap' time periods.

There's another clock stopping case below from the huge UFO flap during the first week in November, 1957 - if you haven't seen this presentation then I really would recommend it as the research is excellent and the sheer number of similar reports are pretty mindboggling.




Clock stop case:

November 6th, 1957 - Santa Fe, Texas.

Residents J. Martinez and A. Galegoz were driving down the highway and witness an 'egg shaped object with red, green and yellow lights' approaching them at a very low altitude.

The unknown object came directly over their car and illuminated the entire area with 'a great glow' - a loud humming noise was also reported.

Car engine dies and both their wristwatches stop working.

UFO Flap presentation.

In the first week of November 1957, a series of dramatic and unusual UFO events occurred which caused great concern at the highest levels of government and changed the way many people viewed the UFO phenomenon. Sputnik 1 had been launched one month earlier, and the launch of Sputnik 2 was imminent. Then, in the first week of November 1957, a dramatic wave of UFO encounters struck the states of Texas and New Mexico.

The apparent primary target was a small town called Levelland. What happened in Levelland, Texas was unprecedented and had never occurred before, and has yet to be repeated. Dozens of people in Levelland and the surrounding areas reported UFOs disabling their vehicles, causing the electrical system to fail and the car engines to cease functioning.

In case after case, UFOs buzzed cars at low level, and often landed on the road, blocking their way forward. UFO car-stalling cases were well-known among UFO researchers, but this brazen and audacious level of activity had never been reported before.

While the small town of Levelland, Texas and the surrounding area first appeared to be the target, the truth was much different. In fact, similar and often identical encounters occurred across the United States and the world, involving not only car-stalling cases, but many bizarre electromagnetic effects on a wide variety of machines.