Trump was FBI informant?

[UltraBudgie]

Quite right.

[cherokeetroy]

The thing is you don’t get to be in any position of power if you can’t be blackmailed in some way. It’s not the cream that rises to the top but the scum. Though our leaders are supposed to at least pretend they have the interests of the general population at heart. 
In reality they work for TPTB. The opposition is just there for theatre, a sense of balance, there is none.

Its a system built by malignant narcissists for malignant narcissists 

You don't make it to the top unless all the boxes check off

[cherokeetroy]

I dont get the obsession for the list. If there is a list and Trump is on it, what than? What if Biden or obama is on it. What than? a list with names will only prove they are on a list with some other names. No one is going to jail even if they deserve it. Not unless there is some hard evidence. But a list of names aint going to do squat.

The "obsession" didn't start out as a mission to get Trump

It started in his first term as an ongoing discussion about child trafficking rings controlled and operated by factions within the government 

At that time, the focus was on suspects mainly in the Democrat party

The goal was to expose the operations and bring the perps to justice 

That didn't happen 

The excuse was Trump couldn't expose the crimes because he was too wrapped up in fighting the Democrats. Then Covid happened 

So the next plan was that Trump would win a second term and that's when he would take them down 

That didn't happen, either 

Which brings us to now

Trump won and as far as I can tell, there's nothing standing in his way 

So if he's not shedding light on the corruption and working to restore justice at the highest level...in my mind that means only one thing

He's in on it

[cherokeetroy]

[SurferSoul]

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Wow, always a distraction making the headlines when the senate/parliment, decide to vote on something important. Another example of a 51/49 split too. 
Why would they want to block those files? Who are they trying to protect? Most likely the 51% that voted to block them. If they aren’t involved directly they are bought and paid for by someone who is.

[Harte]

The hard evidence is damn near impossible to have. But the most we public can get is what's released.
Why would the most transparent administration that ran on such information be held from the public.

There are good reasons to not simply dump all files on Epstein into the public domain.
The victims themselves know some of the people involved. You'll note that they haven't made their list public either.
They worry about the repercussions, both legal and moral.
People having their names associated with Epstein should not have to suffer if there is no evidence that they did anything wrong.
And it seems that even if there is no evidence of wrongdoing that won't matter to the public, so innocent people could have their lives ruined.
Also, any evidence that someone did do something wrong would, if made public, jeopardize any possible future prosecutions if it wasn't enough to prove anything in a court of law.

Maybe they are trying to hide something, I don't know. But what I said above still applies anyway, and there's no getting around that.

Harte

[matafuchyou]

Remember when Trump used to be Democrat?
Remember when Trump and Clinton were friends?
Remember when Trump and Epstein were friends?
Remember when Clinton and Epstein were friends?
Remember when Clinton sent Epstein a birthday greeting?
Remember when it isn't a stretch of the imagination or unreasonable to believe that Trump would also send Epstein a birthday greeting?

Common sense

Trump is having his people call Republican congress people and threatening them against signing the petition. Trump is interfering and obstructing 

But it doesn't matter 
Massie needs only one more signature

It doesn't matter if you're sick of the Epstein stuff

This train won't be derailed

Remember when Trump used to be Democrat? Yes
Remember when Trump and Clinton were friends? Yes
Remember when Trump and Epstein were friends? Until Trump found out he was going after under age girls 
Remember when Clinton and Epstein were friends? Yes and HE actually went to the island multiple times 
Remember when Clinton sent Epstein a birthday greeting? Yes
Remember when it isn't a stretch of the imagination or unreasonable to believe that Trump would also send Epstein a birthday greeting? Because at that time he had already thrown him out of MAL by 2004, brought property out from under him so he would not live there as well as helping the FBI with the case against Epstein in 2005. 

Nothing is being derailed. I answered every question with facts. You want it so bad to be true but again, if there was ANYTHING physical to actually tie him to anything it would have come out in 2016. 

So at least you admit that it is Congress who needs to release it as the president does not have that authority. Can you name one of the 'Trump' p;eople calling to stop it or is it an 'anonymous' source per usual?

[cherokeetroy]

Remember when Trump and Epstein were friends? Until Trump found out he was going after under age girls 

Remember when it isn't a stretch of the imagination or unreasonable to believe that Trump would also send Epstein a birthday greeting? Because at that time he had already thrown him out of MAL by 2004, brought property out from under him so he would not live there as well as helping the FBI with the case against Epstein in 2005. 

Nothing is being derailed. I answered every question with facts. You want it so bad to be true but again, if there was ANYTHING physical to actually tie him to anything it would have come out in 2016. 

So at least you admit that it is Congress who needs to release it as the president does not have that authority. Can you name one of the 'Trump' p;eople calling to stop it or is it an 'anonymous' source per usual?

Trump claiming to cut ties with Epstein is all according to Trump's own words

Since Trump lies, constantly, I take whatever claims he makes with a grain of salt

I don't want it "so bad to be true". Whatever that means

I want Trump to be honest and forthcoming. Which he isn't 

What I admit is that the files are being presented for a Congressional vote

Trump has full authority to release the DOJ files anytime he wants

If that's not true,, explain how he had the power to greenlight Pam Bondi's release the first time around 

It's absolutely being derailed. Have you not been paying attention? 

They just voted against the release again, on the same day Charlie Kirk was assassinated 

This isn't an evil plot set out by the Democrats to "get Trump"

He's lying to you when he tells you that

Can you detect when your authority figures are lying to you?

[matafuchyou]

Trump claiming to cut ties with Epstein is all according to Trump's own words

Since Trump lies, constantly, I take whatever claims he makes with a grain of salt

I don't want it "so bad to be true". Whatever that means

I want Trump to be honest and forthcoming. Which he isn't 

What I admit is that the files are being presented for a Congressional vote

Trump has full authority to release the DOJ files anytime he wants

If that's not true,, explain how he had the power to greenlight Pam Bondi's release the first time around 

It's absolutely being derailed. Have you not been paying attention? 

They just voted against the release again, on the same day Charlie Kirk was assassinated 

This isn't an evil plot set out by the Democrats to "get Trump"

He's lying to you when he tells you that

Can you detect when your authority figures are lying to you?

Not always but there is no reason for him to lie. You have an opinion he is not honest. All I can say, with facts, is before his 50th birthday a few things happened. 

2002 - Trump is quoted as saying he is a terrific guy but hey
2004 - Trump competed with him to purchase a home and won. 
2005 - Investigation Begins
2007 - Thrown out of MAL for harassing the daughter of a member
2008 - Convicted with a plea deal to avoid Federal Charges (trump provided evidence to what Epstein was doing) 

The current DOJ has asked for the records to be unseal the Grand Jury testimony. The Federal Judge has to order it. A president cannot simply release it all. Or we could ask MIke....SOTH FBI Mistake?
 “I don’t know if I used the right word,” Johnson told reporters at the Capitol. “I said FBI informant. I’m not sure — I wasn’t there. This isn’t my lane. I’m just repeating what is common knowledge and has been out in the public for a long time: President Trump was never a hindrance to the Epstein investigation. He was trying to assist in that.”
Johnson, a Republican, said the House Oversight Committee chaired by GOP Rep. James Comer, of Kentucky, will visit the Epstein estate to review visitor logs and other information as part of its probe.

[cherokeetroy]

Not always but there is no reason for him to lie. You have an opinion he is not honest. All I can say, with facts, is before his 50th birthday a few things happened. 

2002 - Trump is quoted as saying he is a terrific guy but hey
2004 - Trump competed with him to purchase a home and won. 
2005 - Investigation Begins
2007 - Thrown out of MAL for harassing the daughter of a member
2008 - Convicted with a plea deal to avoid Federal Charges (trump provided evidence to what Epstein was doing) 

The current DOJ has asked for the records to be unseal the Grand Jury testimony. The Federal Judge has to order it. A president cannot simply release it all. Or we could ask MIke....SOTH FBI Mistake?
 “I don’t know if I used the right word,” Johnson told reporters at the Capitol. “I said FBI informant. I’m not sure — I wasn’t there. This isn’t my lane. I’m just repeating what is common knowledge and has been out in the public for a long time: President Trump was never a hindrance to the Epstein investigation. He was trying to assist in that.”
Johnson, a Republican, said the House Oversight Committee chaired by GOP Rep. James Comer, of Kentucky, will visit the Epstein estate to review visitor logs and other information as part of its probe.

        There's conflicting & contradictory info on the timeline

According to Trump, Epstein was thrown out of Mar-a-Lago over "poaching" girls from the spa, not for harassing the daughter of a member

Another contradiction involves Trump being an FBI informant

Some have painted a picture of Trump as cooperating with the Feds in order to bring Epstein to justice but according to Epstein biographer, Trump went to the police and told them Epstein was running a brothel after Epstein threatened to expose Trump over a money laundering scheme

Maybe Trump has no reason to lie, but he has definitely been lying

Here is a list of Public Contradictions and Shifts Trump has made concerning questions about his connection to Jeffrey Epstein and the release of the Epstein files:

Trump repeatedly claimed during his candidacy and as president that he would release all documents related to Epstein and provide full transparency, but later reversed course, insisting there were no further credible documents or that the matter was closed

Blaming Democrats and the Media: Trump has at different times stated that any remaining files or incriminating evidence about Epstein are fabrications by Democrats, the media, or his political adversaries—while also earlier fueling conspiracy theories demanding their release to appease his base

Denying Authoring Birthday Letter: After a letter allegedly from Trump to Epstein for his 50th birthday surfaced in official records, Trump denied ever writing it and called it fake—even though evidence and contemporaneous witnesses suggest the document is authentic

Relationship Timeline with Epstein: Trump's answers about when and why he fell out with Epstein have shifted. He initially stated the fallout was due to Epstein poaching employees, later claimed it involved inappropriate hiring of young women from Mar-a-Lago, and sometimes minimized or changed the nature of their friendship, contradicting previous statements and public evidence

Dismissal as "Boring" or "Hoax": As pressure mounted for transparency, Trump repeatedly called the Epstein files a “Democratic hoax” or said the issue was “boring,” yet previously described interest in the files as legitimate and promised a thorough review

Denial of DOJ Briefings: After Attorney General Pam Bondi was reported to have briefed Trump on his name appearing in the Epstein files, Trump denied receiving the information, though reliable sources confirm the briefing occurred

Attacking Supporters Demanding Transparency: Although Trump previously encouraged scrutiny into the case and promoted claims about a “client list,” he later berated supporters demanding document releases, calling them “weaklings” and distancing himself publicly from the controversy

There have been reports that during the FBI's review of the extensive Jeffrey Epstein files, agents were instructed to "flag" any mention of Trump, which stirred controversy about how the investigation was handled under Trump administration influence

Then there's the situation with moving Ghislaine Maxwell to a different prison with upgraded amenities and her interview with balance in which she repeatedly lied

Then there's the release of 33,000 more documents of which 90% are already in public possession

And then we move onto the questionable connection between Trump and Paolo Zampolli, Epstein friend and Melania's modeling agent who worked his way up the ranks from modeling agent to Global Dignitary in Trump's administration

Similar to the way Epstein worked his way up the ranks from college professor to multimillionaire owning a private island

None of this necessarily points to guilt however, it is highly suspicious

When we catch our elected leaders contradicting themselves, flat out lying or behaving in suspicious ways, the normal response is to want answers

If any of this had been going on during Biden's term, we wouldn't dismiss it

In fact, we didn't dismiss it

We discussed Epstein all through Biden's term Not only Epstein but also Hunter Biden, Ashley Biden, Adam Schiff, Anthony Weiner and several others

Obviously, the calls for transparency and justice were ignored but that doesn't mean you stop pushing

In fact, the only reason the files are up for Congressional vote right now is because we refuse to shut up about it

That's the only reason why Epstein is still in purview is because we won't let it go If we let it go, Trump would bury it in an instant