Trump shot?

[Blaine91555]

I found an interesting media clip... but I'm uncertain of it's absolute validity (you know how that goes.)

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2lVIJc000]

Thanks. That answered some questions I had about where people were in relationship to the shooter.

[ArMaP]

When it’s done a lot in a thread it looks like someone is trying to stop a discussion that they don’t want to occur.

That's interesting, from a psychological/sociological point of view.

I'll try to have that in mind when dealing with people from the US.

[Encia22]

I’ve been intrigued by the water tower debacle.

At first, I thought that the kid was just a decoy, a sitting duck to distract from the professional marksman who would have been on the water tower.

I’ve done some research using Google Earth and worked out the approximate distances to the target from the rooftop and the tower (see image below).

Here are the stats:

• Distance from location of kid on rooftop to target: 448 ft.
  
• Distance from top of water tower to target: 787 ft.
  
• Height of building: approx. 20 ft.
  
• Height of water tower: approx. 130 ft.
  
• Height of target’s noodle: stage: 4 ft. + man height 6 ft. = approx. 10 ft.
  
• Angle of shot from rooftop: approx. 2.5° downwards
  
• Angle of shot from water tower: approx. 9.5° downwards
  

With the new video simulations coming out, I exclude that any shots were fired from the tower. Looking at the Google Earth snapshot I did, it seems to me that the shots that didn’t hit the target would have landed in no man’s land and not hit anyone. Instead, the victims are more in line with shots from the kid’s rooftop location.

Granted, perhaps the kid panicked, acted too soon and the tower marksman didn’t have time to do the dirty deed.

Or

The apparent movement we see on the tower could be just a maintenance man who was startled by the ruckus and was taking a look. From what I understand, water towers can double as communication towers and so, the 'nipple' at the very top houses communication apparatus.

I can’t see a professional hitman just standing there, ogling the mayhem, exposing themselves for sniper target practice. Also, if I were a professional, I would have worn white camouflage to match the tower colour.

Anyway, below are some of the images I base this post on. There are more, but I don’t want to get overly technical and, ultimately, lost in confusion.

I’ll leave you to make up your own minds.

Water Tower (Not the actual one, but same type.):



The grounds and stage area:



Shooting distances from Google Earth:

[Encia22]

The water tower is also the absolute worst place for a sniper outside of Hollywood. It breaks two of the most important tactical rules:

1. Never silhouette yourself against the sky or a bright background.
2. Have more than one escape route.

LOL, yes, I agree.

Perhaps, instead of negotiating the two ladders to get back down, they would have abseiled or even paraglided away, like James Bond.

[KKLoco]

Ok, if that video wasn't enough, here is another that refutes the water tower theories. You are mistaking a shadow for a person.

https://rumble.com/v56v9r9-alternate-ang...in-bu.html

Thank you for posting that. You very well may be correct.

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I’ve been intrigued by the water tower debacle.

At first, I thought that the kid was just a decoy, a sitting duck to distract from the professional marksman who would have been on the water tower.

I’ve done some research using Google Earth and worked out the approximate distances to the target from the rooftop and the tower (see image below).

Here are the stats:

• Distance from location of kid on rooftop to target: 448 ft.
  
• Distance from top of water tower to target: 787 ft.
  
• Height of building: approx. 20 ft.
  
• Height of water tower: approx. 130 ft.
  
• Height of target’s noodle: stage: 4 ft. + man height 6 ft. = approx. 10 ft.
  
• Angle of shot from rooftop: approx. 2.5° downwards
  
• Angle of shot from water tower: approx. 9.5° downwards
  

With the new video simulations coming out, I exclude that any shots were fired from the tower. Looking at the Google Earth snapshot I did, it seems to me that the shots that didn’t hit the target would have landed in no man’s land and not hit anyone. Instead, the victims are more in line with shots from the kid’s rooftop location.

Granted, perhaps the kid panicked, acted too soon and the tower marksman didn’t have time to do the dirty deed.

Or

The apparent movement we see on the tower could be just a maintenance man who was startled by the ruckus and was taking a look. From what I understand, water towers can double as communication towers and so, the 'nipple' at the very top houses communication apparatus.

I can’t see a professional hitman just standing there, ogling the mayhem, exposing themselves for sniper target practice. Also, if I were a professional, I would have worn white camouflage to match the tower colour.

Anyway, below are some of the images I base this post on. There are more, but I don’t want to get overly technical and, ultimately, lost in confusion.

I’ll leave you to make up your own minds.

Water Tower (Not the actual one, but same type.):

[Image: https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/i...9a61df.jpg]

The grounds and stage area:

[Image: https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/i...9a613c.png]

Shooting distances from Google Earth:

[Image: https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/i...9a6124.PNG]

Excellent analysis. Thank you!

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Some needed humor:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9i82ueP9...MxOA%3D%3D

[FlyingClayDisk]

Ok, if that video wasn't enough, here is another that refutes the water tower theories. You are mistaking a shadow for a person.

https://rumble.com/v56v9r9-alternate-ang...in-bu.html

I'm not so sure.  Sure looks like a person to me.  The alleged 'shadow' doesn't appear until seconds after the first shot is fired.  Almost like someone was maybe behind the thing on top of the water tower, and then after the first shots were fired they came out from hiding.  I would actually be surprised if there wasn't a counter-sniper at this location; it's the highest point in the area.  It's not a particularly good position to shoot at someone at the podium, but it's a great place to return fire from if you're a counter-sniper.

Another poster mentioned some of the golden rules of snipers, one of them being never to silhouette yourself against a lighter backdrop and this is true, but in the case of a counter-sniper they wouldn't be particularly worried about this.  Yes, it's not ideal, but the more important role is to be able to return fire over a wide area which the water tower provides.

Could it have been an accomplice?  I suppose, but there would have been better places for an accomplice...unless, as some have noted, the accomplice's role was to take out the shooter (because dead men can tell no lies). 

I don't know, but it sure looks like something stepped out from behind that cupola or whatever it is at the top of the water tower almost immediately after the first shots were fired.  If it were a shadow, I would think it would have been there the entire time.  The height of the tower doesn't lend itself to quickly changing shadows.

Perhaps we can agree that the person on the tower was a counter-sniper, and the remaining question then would become...WHO were they 'counter-sniping'???

[ArMaP]

Another fact that refutes the water tower theory is that the large format screen that was hanging above the stands on Trump's right side is blocking direct line of sight from the tower to center stage. There is no shot.

That's what I was thinking.

I looked for images that would show that but was not able to find any.

[Encia22]

Another fact that refutes the water tower theory is that the large format screen that was hanging above the stands on Trump's right side is blocking direct line of sight from the tower to center stage. There is no shot.

Yes, I thought about that, too. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a direct overhead image of the bleachers and stage to be able to overlay it on the G.E. screenshot. Then, there were further problems of the mega screen's height, the approximated height of the water tower (125 ft to 165 ft), the trees that are also in the way, the lay of the land, etc., etc.

From a conspiratorial point of view, If a pro-sniper had chosen the tower to shoot from, they would have had to have calculated for the screens and stage height. Something, I think could only be confirmed from the time the bleachers and screen had been setup; perhaps only just a couple of days in advance of the rally.

In the end, in my mind, the figure that manifests on the tower could only be a maintenance man or, as FCD suggested, a counter-sniper. 

However, a question I can't find an answer to is, how far did the SS security bubble extend? Was the tower included? The Pac-Man parody image doing the internet rounds doesn't count.

[TheRedneck]

This is quite intriguing...

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-rev...n-attempt/

It seems Senator Josh Hawley has received tips that level some pretty serious allegations. He sent this letter:
 

July 19, 2024

The Honorable Alejandro Mayorkas
Secretary
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
2707 Martin Luther King Jr. Ave SE
Washington, D.C. 20528

Dear Secretary Mayorkas:

I write to raise concerns brought to me by whistleblowers about your department’s stunning failure to protect former President Trump on July 13, 2024. As Secretary of Homeland Security (DHS), you are ultimately responsible for your agency and its components, including the U.S. Secret Service (USSS). 

Whistleblowers who have direct knowledge of the event have approached my office. According to the allegations, the July 13 rally was considered to be a ‘loose’ security event. For example, detection canines were not used to monitor entry and detect threats in the usual manner. Individuals without proper designations were able to gain access to backstage areas. Department personnel did not appropriately police the security buffer around the podium and were also not stationed at regular intervals around the event’s security perimeter.

In addition, whistleblower allegations suggest the majority of DHS officials were not in fact USSS agents but instead drawn from the department’s Homeland Security Investigations (HSI). This is especially concerning given that HSI agents were unfamiliar with standard protocols typically used at these types of events, according to the allegations.

As a Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which has oversight jurisdiction over your department, I will continue to investigate your department’s role in the staggering security failures on July 13. Unfortunately, your department has not been appropriately forthcoming with Members of Congress—abruptly ending the only call with USSS before most senators could even ask a question. This is completely unacceptable and contrary to the public’s interest in transparency.

Instead, we have learned more from whistleblowers than your department’s officials. I will continue to protect the anonymity and confidentiality of all who contact my office and ensure that they receive the full protections under the law to which they are entitled. So that my office can continue its investigation into the events of July 13, 2024, please provide the following information no later than 7 days from now:

1. How did DHS determine to staff the event, including any decision to rely on state or local officers?

2. What percentage of the DHS agents at the event were from HSI rather than USSS? Were a majority of officers at the event drawn from HSI or other DHS components, rather than USSS? If so, why?

3. Were HSI agents properly trained in staffing these types of events? 

4. Did gaps exist in the security perimeter, and were the usual protocols followed for the use of canines and magnetometers?

5. Were agents not appropriately stationed around the podium?

6. Were the standard protocols followed for issuing designated pins to vetted personnel that are allowed backstage?

7. How long did agents physically spend on the ground surveying the site before the event? Did any paperwork obligations prevent a longer and more robust site survey?

I await your response.


Sincerely,
Josh Hawley
United States Senator

 
CC:

The Honorable Kimberly A. Cheatle
Director
U.S. Secret Service
245 Murray Ln SW, Building T-5
Washington, D.C. 20223

TheRedneck

[Maxmars]

This is quite intriguing...

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-rev...n-attempt/

It seems Senator Josh Hawley has received tips that level some pretty serious allegations. He sent this letter:
 

TheRedneck

DHS was assigned to "security?"

That alone is extremely wrong.  As far as I know, a former President (running for office, or not) is NEVER to be secured by "contract" agents.  It's a "definition" thing.