Trump Neurosis Thread

[UltraBudgie]

Trump's senior counter-terrorism official:

"I realized that the taxonomy of politics in America is dead. It's not left and right. It's not Republican or Democrat. There's a line that divides us. Do you love America, or do you hate America?" Gorka said.

"And we have people who love America, like the president, like his cabinet, like the directors of his agencies who want to protect Americans," he continued. "And then there is the other side that is on the side of the cartel members, the side of the illegal aliens, on the side of the terrorists."

He added: "You have to ask yourself, are they technically aiding and abetting them? Because aiding and abetting criminals and terrorists is a crime in federal statute."

From an interview in Newsmax today.

The left did American no favours when they started referring to the January 6 protesters as "domestic terrorists". Now that the administration has clearly pointed in the direction of "anyone who opposes us is helping terrorists", the only line to hide behind is the question of what constitutes "material support". Well, that's frightfully thin:

The Supreme Court ruled against the Humanitarian Law Project, which sought to help the Kurdistan Workers' Party in Turkey and Sri Lanka's Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam learn how to resolve conflicts peacefully. It concluded that the US Congress had intended to prevent aid to such groups, even for the purpose of facilitating peace negotiations or United Nations processes because that assistance fit the law's definition of material aid as "training," "expert advice or assistance," "service," and "personnel." The finding was based on the principle that any assistance could help to "legitimate" the terrorist organization and free up its resources for terrorist activities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holder_v._...aw_Project

So that would seem to include things like providing legal counsel. Hell, by that shifting logic, even advocacy or expressing an opinion could be considered "material support", because it would "free up resources" the "terrorist" group might have to use for "propaganda" (you know, having a voice) to be used for other things.

It's hard to be neurotic about this one, because now they're coming right out and saying it. The time of "what if" is over. Hey, neurosis problem solved! Yay Trump.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Jesus freaking christ, your post doesn't help neurosis much.

This, not so much either.

"I realized that the taxonomy of politics in America is dead. It's not left and right. It's not Republican or Democrat. There's a line that divides us. Do you love America, or do you hate America?" Gorka said.

"And we have people who love America, like the president, like his cabinet, like the directors of his agencies who want to protect Americans," he continued. "And then there is the other side that is on the side of the cartel members, the side of the illegal aliens, on the side of the terrorists."

Gee there, Mr. Terrorism Sir, mighty fine not at all dictatorship-trending rhetoric you have there. You better mean "like" as an example of people who love America before I overreact even though it implies the same tone either way.

I really love America, but I loathe the president, and think he has a cabinet full of spineless toadies, and I don't feel the slightest bit intimidated by this. It's still America until such time MAGA Uber Alles comes kicking in my door for my dissenting opinion.

It's obvious. They're pissed his supporters were given scrutiny by the Biden administration. Watch for excessive Trump stickers type stuff. I agree the left invited this targeting MAGA for misinformation, and even if it was, that's irrelevant now.

Maybe they're angry his flash mob were called insurgents too, but what's this going to do except make snowflakes melt into martyrs.

Seriously though, "with us or against us" is what were doing, that's making liberty and freedom great? Can't support illegal immigrants since when? Just STFU.

In California fashion, I'm "still dreaming" otherwise, and I'm betting that will be allowed to continue.

[TzarChasm]

@IdeomotorPrisoner

So you're just hand waving the fact that a national emergency was declared on account of hundreds of cartel terrorists operating inside our borders, and the fact those cartels are complicit in trafficking thousands of women and children who are unaccounted for.

[putnam6]

@IdeomotorPrisoner

So you're just hand waving the fact that a national emergency was declared on account of hundreds of cartel terrorists operating inside our borders, and the fact those cartels are complicit in trafficking thousands of women and children who are unaccounted for.

This ought to be good

[xuenchen]

@ IdeomotorPrisoner

How's those San Diego beaches today? 

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

@IdeomotorPrisoner

So you're just hand waving the fact that a national emergency was declared on account of hundreds of cartel terrorists operating inside our borders, and the fact those cartels are complicit in trafficking thousands of women and children who are unaccounted for.

Quit trying to get me to focus on the miniscule pertentage over the vast majority or huddled masses.

Those hundreds of cartel members are in business with US citizens exploiting those children and running those drugs. Just filling a market supply niche.

Like the one opened up by Hells Angels. Our nations one time TOP Meth Supplier. They also deal in human trafficking, including underage prostitution. They work with the cartels.

I demand you also target EVERY freaking Biker with a jacket and gang patches on it for possibly being connected to cartel drugs.

As well as all Aryan Nation connected people. And their families as well. There's hundreds of thousands of them. Some are supplied by cartels in their vast crime networks..

I read about this ring in Northern Idaho/Washington State where the cartels have formed a supply network with Aryan Nation that supplied deadly drugs to The fine folks of The Western US, Canada, and Alaska, as well as their massive prison network where the cartel are business partners.

Here is the DEA summary.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2023/...al-arrests

Another article on the prison crime network:

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/loca...77170.html

So go after all racist white people too. The Aryan Nation is a nationally connected network. It's not isolated to Arizona or Idaho or Washington. They are all as guilty as these cartels.

Unless it seems like I'm just finding selective examples to disparage a broader group of individuals by association.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

@ IdeomotorPrisoner

How's those San Diego beaches today? 

Imperial Beach has been closed forever. But most of its finally open. Tijuana cost them the Sandcastle Building Championships.

But the rest North are open. Marine layer makes it gloomy beach weather.

TJ has been doing that for decades, and we've been trying to stop, and get help to stop it for decades. Glad people finally give a shit.

But for years people didn't care or notice it. All it took was some Fox News person saying, "The beach where half the Navy Seals train" and everyone finally notices good old sewage contaminated Imperial Beach and The Strand.

Thank you for your selective media-related knowledge of our beaches. :)

And speaking of seals, there's also an early toxic algae bloom killing marine mammals and sickening them by the hundreds, which is also concerning.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

General Neurosis continued. Gonna just get it all out now. Over several hours (6) and edits (21) for this post. Saves space. Neurosis of that acknowledged.

But this tool terrorism guy's overtly fascist comments (whether you'll accept them as fascist or not) made this snowflake melt into a willing martyr like the others baited by this. He called himself more American over his parroted warped take on things. Liberty or death becomes applicable down the road this rhetoric paves.

Trump and Suck Ups @ America

"Look over here, dancing monkeys, immigrants are killing your children with fentanyl! They're eating pets and forming criminal gangs that take over cities!!! Now stay distracted about what I just told you while I piss on civil liberties and get you to praise me for it."

The real Truth Social.

Classic scapegoating. National security blah blah blah. Epidemic fentanyl deaths etc. They don't even approach the drunk driving and alcohol related ones. Accidents, homicides, and suicide still lead young people. It's agenda driven sensationalism and selective focus and way beyond something border policy will fix. Like they all backpack it in or kicking people out is gonna stop the demand. Quit making me fear your agenda's myopic boogeyman. People fearing fentanyl killed the demand for hard drugs. Fell 25% with Biden in 2024. Drugs aren't safe anymore. Lawyers buy opiate test kits for their blow to be sure.

And we already had the 80s to use a new drug epidemic to go to war with ourselves in a way no amount of intradiction could thwart.

* My high school would have had epidemic fentanyl overdoses. My senior year there were like 15% of the popular girls smoking black tar heroin for Weightloss. Also supplied by cartels. It just wasn't all cut yet, so they just ended up in expensive rehab.

The market demand is the same as it ever was.

It's taking a chronic problem (e.g. Cartel drug/human trafficking that has always existed) using their new cheap deadly ingredient and acting like it's a never before seen occurence or invasion that demands authoritative reform.

Just a really deadly drug that is cheap to cut everything with and higher than average (but not as high as 2008) immigration numbers. It is a problem, but not one that demands a vast immigration overhaul.

And now we are inserting this false overblown dilemma as a defining aspect of our support for this country? The intelligence lapdog doesn't get to bark at me for calling BS on that. You don't get say I'm un-American for this. You don't get to mull over deporting citizens for supporting certain things you define as a threat without regards to civil rights.

With all due candor, anyone who thinks that can Go F Themselves.

DONT YOU EVER TRY TO TELL ME WHO MY ENEMIES ARE OR MAKE MINE LINE UP WITH YOURS.

They can be sensationalism whipped fascist-trending monkeys focusing on the dangling carrot of overblown national invasion rhetoric, I'm not that interested in the dissolution of my soul or being used.

Or backing off my moral reasons that call him and his immigration policy inhumane. I will never see illegal immigrants as my enemy even if 1/1000 are gang connected.

And if that's now un-American, or heaven forbid a crime, then we really are fascists.

And this is real neurosis now, because you just called my moral immigration position Anti-american and dissolved it into "with us or against us" uniparty bullshit.

And I better use this ability to criticize this administration while it's still intact... because you never know with this one, because they did just sensationalize a problem and then tell people it's an absolute thing that designates true Americans from enemies. And that's like textbook Nazi shit.

End rant. Have fun with it.

[UltraBudgie]

Quit trying to get me to focus on the miniscule pertentage over the vast majority or huddled masses.

Those hundreds of cartel members are in business with US citizens exploiting those children and running those drugs. Just filling a market supply niche.

Like the one opened up by Hells Angels. Our nations one time TOP Meth Supplier. They also deal in human trafficking, including underage prostitution. They work with the cartels.

I demand you also target EVERY freaking Biker with a jacket and gang patches on it for possibly being connected to cartel drugs.

What, is no one going to step up? Sigh. Well, in the interest of keeping the ball rolling...

"Claiming that the small number of illegal immigrants stupid enough to tattoo their faces and get caught is insignificant because it dwarfed by the vast population of immigrants living outside the law -- that is not the pro-immigration slam-dunk you think it is."

"Your biker analogy is flawed. If every motorcycle rider ignored traffic laws, would it be 'fascist' to focus on the ones who regularly run people over? Should we ignore the lawbreaking of the larger group? 'Well, they're not deliberately aiming for people, and besides, that's just what bikers do.' Seems kind of biased."

There. There's two provocative responses. Pick one. A freebie. Please respect the ancient art of rhetorical mudpitting.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I think the analogy holds.

Singling out All bikers because the Hell's Angels run prostitution rings (with underage children occassionally) is like singling out ALL illegal immigrants because a small percentage of them are drug or child-trafficking criminals. And cross illegally for criminal reasons, mostly through undiscovered tunnels, and certainly don't turn themselves in to La Migra like the vast majority.

The solution is completely divorced from reality, and being made into an absolute dictate of allegiance to country, madness, and xenophobia.

It's like an attempted possession by the same demons that turned America vitriolic and bloodthirsty against itself. And this uniparty "love America/hate America" rhetoric is trying to destroy my hope at the same time it attempts to dissolve the political parties on this issue.

I'm not going to let it in or do what it wants to do with my opinion.

I get mad enough rejecting it. I reject this call to arms. Or their definition of who supports freedom and democracy and who doesn't based on divisive scapegoating rhetoric.

I will never let the mindset Trump uses to call ALL illegal immigrants "terrible people" in. It dissolves my intangible spirit of humility. The spirit of Good is lost when official policy throws a German Tattoo artist in solitary because she brought her tattoo supplies on vacation and then falsely accuses her, and then won't let he freaking leave. I'm selectively noticing things too, and that's freaking mean..

It's my spirit this administration will never touch.



FREE JESSICA BRÖSCHE!

Okay, late on this one. They released her after 6 weeks. I just read something that said they are still holding her. Bad choice and source. But it's this type of crap that's bugging me. That anyone would even need to say to free her is a problem.

Likewise, I will never think illegal immigrants are terrible people to be purged because they jumped the border and tried to circumvent the "appropriate way," when their goal is to overwhelmingly contribute positively to our society. Desperation and not wanting to wait can be overlooked and not be made to be some crime against my country to be detested. Especially when we (did) provide them an amnesty loophole that encourages them to self-report in the hope they can stay.

I loved that America, and their contribution to my city's growth at a time of exodus, and feel bed we've gone back on our more open border policy. I don't think them loopholing a rapid citizenship is an attack or an invasion of enemies. And the demons will never make me.