Trump Neurosis Thread

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Always an argument worth defending my neurosis against...

I think people bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Sure, everyone went a bit insane over covid. Including Captain Warp Speed and his mandate for the rushed vaccine.

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But that's a flimsy freaking preface to eliminate government employees for "wasting taxpayer money."

Don't poke holes through your hand and call it stigmata. It's a nice bit of smoke and mirrors. A nice justification to compare situations.

I tried to find accurate numbers, and totaling those all up, less than 15,000 state or federal employees nationwide pridefully quit for their inviolable rights to control what they do with their body being violated. Thought that total would have been higher. Still, cry me a fucking river and give me back Roe V. Wade.

Mandated shots for government employees for a public health crisis (which is inherently apolitical) is not more egregious than mandated loyalty to a specific administrations politics.

How dare that [string of expletives] tell federal employees they have to be loyal to his administration or GTFO over loyalty to the constitution they took an oath to uphold. F* him from the highest pulpit of my autonomy. Is he the freaking führer now?

I guarantee you if 3 out of every for 4 government employees voted republican this wouldn't be an issue. It wouldnt have been a centerpiece of Project 2025. This is yet another of many plays straight from that book we were called insane for fearing.

I feel It's because federal employees lean democrat and nothing more. The same democrats that supported mandatory vaccines, think Trump is a criminal unfit for office, pushed DEI policy, and told you what a man and a woman were.

Don't call a freaking purge of unwanted democrat ideals and policy anything but what it is.

2/3 of federal employees are a waste?

Right... more like 2/3 support things that make conservatives uncomfortable.

Final ETA:

While others still want to crucify Liz Cheney, I think there needs to be statue of her built with a plaque that reads "She was right."

And from our neurotic perspective, it's kinda sad. It's watching people call a quasi-dictatorship "cutting tax payer burden." I feel like Sarah Conner shaking the freaking fence trying to stop it, but have been deemed too neurotic with my observations. I see people accepting the dissolution of the two-party system, authoritarian rule, and the elimination of the opposition, under the guise of "they did it first."

Like cosigning a single pathetic man's messianic delusion en masse.

As a note now that I've finished my million +1 edits - this thread is intended to be "over-the-top" and really show the full-fledged extent that a genuine Trump neurosis can cause.

[Blaine91555]

It is interesting how the press purposefully ignores the main point of these buyouts. All anyone has to do to keep their jobs is to return to working full time in the office and stop laying around at home in their loungewear pretending to work while the taxpayers are hosed. Everyone knows the real reason why they don't want to work in their office. "Work" being the key to it. No more being paid to surf the Internet for full pay between naps and shots of Bourbon. People self-motivated enough to work from home and do a good job are very rare and they don't work for the government.

All this hype is brought to us by the people who orchestrated the Steele dossier hoax. We the people who vote for them are so stupid they are still in office. It is our fault you know.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Oh, bullshit. (Respectfully)

Another convenient excuse to purge the left and RINOS. 14% of the payroll is from home. "But It's NOW wasteful. Go small government! Get rid of those wasteful government liberals that are taking my tax dollars! It's a nice Libertarian sell. It really is. Same with ending income tax using cost cutting purge measures and tariffs. I just don't buy it.

Like why did he add the Project 2025 loyalty part and word it like loyalty to his politics are compulsory, like he's your unquestioned boss above even the rule of law? And all government agencies must be streamlined to serve a singular objective of the elected party executive branch. And yes I know people believe "the left did it first."

Why not just buyout the 14% that work from home? Why send it to person who works in the office and always has? Two of every three employees being bought out is not justified by 6-14% depending on source.

Call it what you will, this is a buyout because last time too many people revolted against his will. Like top military brass, The RINOs, and Mike Pence. Which were then demonized to placate his megalomania. Now it's like an entire society of cult worship around his struggles, and even I can't help tossing tin foil coins upon his exalted altar.

I feel many people are now effectively Dale Gribble. Wrapped up in nonsensical rabbit hole dosiers while their wives bang the new age healer for 10 years.

I can't help the malaise. It might be forever now when I think of the direction everything is going. And I really believe the experiment has ended under the premise it needing saving from progressive policy, which was the real attack on democracy that needed this autocratic retooling and return to a pseudo-monarchy.

It's inversion universe now. We get to lose our minds with leaps of logic that the democratic society we know and love is being taken over by nefarious figures that want to turn it into a fascist state.

It is a circle. And the plan of Eris, who is the godess that really runs everything it seems.

[putnam6]

Always an argument worth defending my neurosis against...

I think people bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Sure, everyone went a bit insane over covid. Including Captain Warp Speed and his mandate for the rushed vaccine.

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But that's a flimsy freaking preface to eliminate government employees for "wasting taxpayer money."

Don't poke holes through your hand and call it stigmata. It's a nice bit of smoke and mirrors. A nice justification to compare situations.

I tried to find accurate numbers, and totaling those all up, less than 15,000 state or federal employees nationwide pridefully quit for their inviolable rights to control what they do with their body being violated. Thought that total would have been higher. Still, cry me a fucking river and give me back Roe V. Wade.

Mandated shots for government employees for a public health crisis (which is inherently apolitical) is not more egregious than mandated loyalty to a specific administrations politics.

How dare that [string of expletives] tell federal employees they have to be loyal to his administration or GTFO over loyalty to the constitution they took an oath to uphold. F* him from the highest pulpit of my autonomy. Is he the freaking führer now?

I guarantee you if 3 out of every for 4 government employees voted republican this wouldn't be an issue. It wouldnt have been a centerpiece of Project 2025. This is yet another of many plays straight from that book we were called insane for fearing.

I feel It's because federal employees lean democrat and nothing more. The same democrats that supported mandatory vaccines, think Trump is a criminal unfit for office, pushed DEI policy, and told you what a man and a woman were.

Don't call a freaking purge of unwanted democrat ideals and policy anything but what it is.

2/3 of federal employees are a waste?

Right... more like 2/3 support things that make conservatives uncomfortable.

Final ETA:

While others still want to crucify Liz Cheney, I think there needs to be statue of her built with a plaque that reads "She was right."

And from our neurotic perspective, it's kinda sad. It's watching people call a quasi-dictatorship "cutting tax payer burden." I feel like Sarah Conner shaking the freaking fence trying to stop it, but have been deemed too neurotic with my observations. I see people accepting the dissolution of the two-party system, authoritarian rule, and the elimination of the opposition, under the guise of "they did it first."

Like cosigning a single pathetic man's messianic delusion en masse.

As a note now that I've finished my million +1 edits - this thread is intended to be "over-the-top" and really show the full-fledged extent that a genuine Trump neurosis can cause.

I'm not trying to set you off IP I mostly dig your threads and DI needs content.

Is that just gonna be the point of the thread a 4 year long rant, LOL if so I might have to pace myself.

you say 15,000 fed jobs lost from COVID OK so how many have lost thier jobs with the Revenge of the Nerds audit? 

Im not talking about USAID's legitimate uses BTW and kind of don't appreciate the neurotic insinuation IP, Im just discussing this and came across the meme and thought it fit the thread, no more no less.

Ive said it before though I appreciate your posts, they make me search for more on the topic and understand a different perspective from a well-educated person. 

Im sure I'll have more but I'll start with 

How can any sane person see that most LBGTQ? initiatives as being canceled just the dumb-as-hell cases, hell most cases don't have to do with LBGTQ.

I know you are intelligent enough to see that, but it doesn't fit the thread's topic.

SuperBowls coming up Im sure I'll have more, BUT remember the equality you seek includes all the BS endured by all the other demographic groups. ie in a country of 330 million people, every group gets shafted once in a while.

guess what 40 Forty-plus years playing into SS is going to net me a month when I become eligible. About 1/5th of what the USAID undocumented get not to mention other "perks of being a wallflower".

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I'll pace it now. At least it will remain a country where I get 4 years to lose my mind.

I got out my worst case scenario fears on this issue. He's using things that appeal (like lower taxes and small government) to surreptitiously insert himself as a "strong president." And give undue power to the executive and agencies under their purview. Just like that Project 2025 thing I was crazy for fearing laid out.

This is yet another sickening move directly from the once disavowed theocratic-leaning playback, and I'm far too constitutional and non-trinitarian for the scariest parts of their guidebook to Christian Nationalism.

It's playing out worst case scenarios. End games. Dystopic nightmares.

Of course it's gonna be on the emotional and definitely over-edited end, but if he doesn't turn out to be The Putin-like dictator I honestly fear, I just look like I overreacted again.

I did this last term too. Just fire and gasoline for a fire that never really spreads.

But he also didn't try to purge 2 million of federal employees lest they fit into his autocratic goals. So it might be more deranged then last term.

[putnam6]

I'll pace it now. At least it will remain a country where I get 4 years to lose my mind.

I got out my worst case scenario fears on this issue. He's using things that appeal (like lower taxes and small government) to surreptitiously insert himself as a "strong president." And give undue power to the executive and agencies under their purview. Just like that Project 2025 thing I was crazy for fearing laid out.

This is yet another sickening move directly from the once disavowed theocratic-leaning playback, and I'm far too constitutional and non-trinitarian for the scariest parts of their guidebook to Christian Nationalism.

It's playing out worst case scenarios. End games. Dystopic nightmares.

Of course it's gonna be on the emotional and definitely over-edited end, but if he doesn't turn out to be The Putin-like dictator I honestly fear, I just look like I overreacted again.

I did this last term too. Just fire and gasoline for a fire that never really spreads.

But he also didn't try to purge 2 million of federal employees lest they fit into his autocratic goals. So it might be more deranged then last term.

Don't worry about pacing, get it all out sister...

First of all, it isn't good to hold it in, secondly, he will have something else on the menu next week to stick in your craw and you will never catch up.

Like this, where does this rank on the DNC's neurotic scale 



Hell, there are a couple of issues (Gaza Gulf Of Mexico) where I was saying WTF DJT, but let's see how it plays out. 

Generally, his moves are so bold and over the top, he is sitting on loads of evidence.

ie the left has made him into thier worst nightmare, but instead of raging at every decision and executive order realize it's better to pick your battles.

It only worked last time because we had a ONCE IN a generation pandemic to derail him. Now we know it was likely manufactured packaged and sold... this wasn't obvious contemporaneously which led to warp speed.

If he didn't do warp speed the left would have given him hell over it. Exactly like he was given hell for every decision last time and we had to endure the left's numerous neurotic refrains. Respectfully the left cried wolf so much the GP got tired of it all.

Remember Hilliary's If that bastard wins We All Will Hang strike that Politico said the quote was complete garbage "snicker, snicker", we all know who paid them and it wasn't for the LBGTQ community

The man had 45% of the country against him, MSM, and Social media as well as USAID, and he still won handily. Perhaps it would be prudent to wait for a real screw-up.

[Maxmars]

I'll pace it now. At least it will remain a country where I get 4 years to lose my mind.

I got out my worst case scenario fears on this issue. He's using things that appeal (like lower taxes and small government) to surreptitiously insert himself as a "strong president." And give undue power to the executive and agencies under their purview. Just like that Project 2025 thing I was crazy for fearing laid out.

This is yet another sickening move directly from the once disavowed theocratic-leaning playback, and I'm far too constitutional and non-trinitarian for the scariest parts of their guidebook to Christian Nationalism.

It's playing out worst case scenarios. End games. Dystopic nightmares.

Of course it's gonna be on the emotional and definitely over-edited end, but if he doesn't turn out to be The Putin-like dictator I honestly fear, I just look like I overreacted again.

I did this last term too. Just fire and gasoline for a fire that never really spreads.

But he also didn't try to purge 2 million of federal employees lest they fit into his autocratic goals. So it might be more deranged then last term.

I get your inner fire... I have to admit you made a reference to something that concerns me greatly... but first

Some disclosure:
I was never a die-hard supporter of Trump... but since I was unapologetically critical of his opponents, I often defaulted in many conversations into an apparent supporter...
I always felt that, in most regards, the interpersonal friction between people when dealing with what we call 'politics,' was never the stuff of poison... until the arrival of Trump.  Then I watched as the nature of the media changed... and shortly thereafter some people and notable celebrities began openly seething partisanship... and it became "personal."

OK, on with it. 
The Project 2025 thing... I get it. 
There are a number of things that I wonder about there...

... but that "loyalty" thing frightens me most. 

I fear the many terrors of those willing to view loyalty as a metric as to justify their own ends.  
It's sort of like the questions "Who gets to decide who is or isn't loyal?  Is it an absolute thing?  Agree with the "party" or your out... or there will be consequences?"

"Loyalty" is not really a reason you hire someone.  Its deficit is a reason you fire someone.

In a perfect world, no government job should require loyalty to a party, not even to a person... only to an office, and it's purpose. 
I think by definition, that's kind of what a job is... but hey... I'm old.

[putnam6]

I get your inner fire... I have to admit you made a reference to something that concerns me greatly... but first

Some disclosure:
I was never a die-hard supporter of Trump... but since I was unapologetically critical of his opponents, I often defaulted in many conversations into an apparent supporter...
I always felt that, in most regards, the interpersonal friction between people when dealing with what we call 'politics,' was never the stuff of poison... until the arrival of Trump.  Then I watched as the nature of the media changed... and shortly thereafter some people and notable celebrities began openly seething partisanship... and it became "personal."

OK, on with it. 
The Project 2025 thing... I get it. 
There are a number of things that I wonder about there...

... but that "loyalty" thing frightens me most. 

I fear the many terrors of those willing to view loyalty as a metric as to justify their own ends.  
It's sort of like the questions "Who gets to decide who is or isn't loyal?  Is it an absolute thing?  Agree with the "party" or your out... or there will be consequences?"

"Loyalty" is not really a reason you hire someone.  Its deficit is a reason you fire someone.

In a perfect world, no government job should require loyalty to a party, not even to a person... only to an office, and it's purpose. 
I think by definition, that's kind of what a job is... but hey... I'm old.

What has age got to do with it? Talk about neurotic, LOL my whole life I was taught to and later learned to not totally dismiss my elders in my family and business life. After the last 4-8 years of being bombarded and being derided as "Boomers" etc. the left has convinced America there is no value in experience life lessons, such as used to we took Presidents' good and bad qualities and hoped they didn't completely screw the country. Now the left and ever increasingly the right are hanging on every word. 

I have forgotten the wonderful life lesson my father taught me about politics and Presidents specifically

A 9-year-old Putnam6 just watched on TV the President get in a helicopter and fly off to Cali after resigning, it was a big deal according to Walter at CBS and the anchors on the other 2 networks. I asked my Dad "What does that mean for us? " Our family in our 3 bedroom 1 bath postage stamp home with 4 kids and mid-30s parents. My Dad answered "It doesn't mean a damn thing. Tomorrow you will go to school I'll go to work all that matters is you do your best and take care of your school work ie responsibilities. 

Till the 2010s or so that mantra worked for about 85% of the 330 million plus GP, leaving the unbalanced remaining fringe 15% to fret over every political detail, discussion, and disagreement. Before we didn't care until a bill came up for a vote at best, now we have participants who lose thier minds if an idea for a bill is floated. 

In 2020 One party made unrealistic political promises to the mostly unbalanced fringe, which motivated them for a while. 

Still, it was unsustainable and unproductive, so much so that we are experiencing the inevitable conservative snapback now. This was planted and nurtured by TPTB in the DNC for political power and what looks like financial benefits from USAID.

I mean come on why is the Clinton Foundation getting so much money for Haiti, I believe 74 million and allegedly 3 million paid for Chelsea Clinton's home and 3 million paid for her wedding. 

And yeah I'd go bug chit If that was Trump or Bush whichever party. It just so happens a lot of this aid supports DNC causes, which is frustrating enough but as if we are supposed to believe all proceeds for such causes aren't embezzled by unscrupulous foreign governments.  We need audits to show how the funds are helping their specific purpose line item by line item. We have no business supporting most of these foreign social modification experiments, for any party or side. 

What if China or Russia paid for and supported opposing viewpoints in the US and bank rolled them...

[Maxmars]

What if China or Russia paid for and supported opposing viewpoints in the US and bank rolled them...

It's exactly what the Soviets did, much to their detriment.

Cynics say it's the same people doing it... same as then, doing it now... attack the American experiment which must not succeed.

It seems the aim of common progressive leaders everywhere for generations was to "change the world" and the whole thing was made into a movement turned cult.

When you create Utopia, tell me about it... don't just force your idea of Utopia on me, I think is fair.

My age comment relates to my constant abrasions with being told "this is how things work now (as in today)"... which is usually followed by me saying "but this isn't really working, is it?..." and then it devolves from there.

While the players and antics of politics is plainly the stuff of theater, and usually as pointless as a WWW plot-line, the substance of it is never fixed and firm enough to simply ignore it... unless you're a hermit or something like that.  I do understand how people can get tooth-grinding mad over what they are 'told' about the whole affair... but the substance of our governing laws requires tending as times change.  Lest we allow ourselves to fall prey to past ignorance, hubris, and arrogance.

Some people think purposeful ignorance of the subject is adequate treatment of the subject.  They are usually the one's who are shocked about developments... you know like the media, where every thing in the news is 'OMG WFT Can you believe it?' (Or... "[insert celebrity name] mortified!")

When people begin to question matters that can only be answered within the person, like say "loyalty"... how do they measure the answer?  Yeah... Oaths of loyalty seem very significant to me...  Making them part of the "process" of being in a political party, it implies something unnerving... It's a personal choice, I get it though.

... enough of my babbling!

[putnam6]

It's exactly what the Soviets did, much to their detriment.

Cynics say it's the same people doing it... same as then, doing it now... attack the American experiment which must not succeed.

It seems the aim of common progressive leaders everywhere for generations was to "change the world" and the whole thing was made into a movement turned cult.

When you create Utopia, tell me about it... don't just force your idea of Utopia on me, I think is fair.

My age comment relates to my constant abrasions with being told "this is how things work now (as in today)"... which is usually followed by me saying "but this isn't really working, is it?..." and then it devolves from there.

While the players and antics of politics is plainly the stuff of theater, and usually as pointless as a WWW plot-line, the substance of it is never fixed and firm enough to simply ignore it... unless you're a hermit or something like that.  I do understand how people can get tooth-grinding mad over what they are 'told' about the whole affair... but the substance of our governing laws requires tending as times change.  Lest we allow ourselves to fall prey to past ignorance, hubris, and arrogance.

Some people think purposeful ignorance of the subject is adequate treatment of the subject.  They are usually the one's who are shocked about developments... you know like the media, where every thing in the news is 'OMG WFT Can you believe it?' (Or... "[insert celebrity name] mortified!")

When people begin to question matters that can only be answered within the person, like say "loyalty"... how do they measure the answer?  Yeah... Oaths of loyalty seem very significant to me...  Making them part of the "process" of being in a political party, it implies something unnerving... It's a personal choice, I get it though.

... enough of my babbling!

Some may call it babbling but I suspect it's more akin to figuring out some hard truths. 

It was a power and money grab just as Iraq and Afghanistan turned what seemed like honorable motives into nothing but a Haliburton/Cheney, RINO, and connected Democrats money laundering. The connected Democrats the old guard saw how effective the funds flowed and adapted the process. Hiding the money grab behind saving Ukraine and "stopping" Russia from taking over Europe the UK and the world with the added benefit of "bankrolling" social justice causes in America and around the world 

All with zero auditing of where the American tax-paid funds are going, making it ripe for abuse from unscrupulous politicians and persons at the head of the numerous connected NGO's