Trump Memo To Federal Agencies Encourages Workplace Proselytizing.

[SomeStupidName]

Could they stop you practicing on your voodoo ddol.in your down time? Could you sit at your desk, give someone across the office a dead-eyed stare (like Aubrey Plaza) and slowly stick pins into a doll while looking at them?  If you're an occult person, could you find your favorite logo from The Lesser Key Of Solomon and frame the seal of your patron demon? Maybe add a winged hemophrodite statue? 

I have an impulse in me that would deliberately push the limits of this, without bitching, and I know im not alone in this urge. Like a counter to Trump's urge to goad the chruch/state separation issue.

A voodoo doll sitting on your desk fine, actively using it... Would that fall under harassment? I'm trying to think of a christian tradition that comes close and I'm drawing a blank maybe you know one.

I think if people could approach life a little more level headed they wouldn't need to be so petty and that isn't to say certain Christians can't be petty they can swing with the best. I think we would just see more pettiness more division all around this is probably a bad idea because of people.

[BeyondKnowledge]

I am willing to discuss any religion providing it does not including harming others or yourself and any party can stop at any time they become uncomfortable. 

Now, I worship at the alter of Lego. A most versitle and perfect in form brick. All are welcome to make what they feel the bricks want to be. Let the bricks speak through you. You will become one with building. Blessed be the world's biggest producer of rubber tires by number. 

Not all bricks are good as some have fallen unnoticed upon the carpeted floor. May you never step on the evil brick in the dark while not wearing shoes less you scream in agony and awaken the whole household. The cat will scoff and the dog will laugh at you 

Now go fourth or fifth and spread the word of Lego.

[Sirius]

On 2nd thought, I'd do this every time someone started pushing their religion.

hilarious!

[PorkChop96]

Given it's own thread.  

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-a...s-beliefs/

 

Yay god! 

I'm not gonna bite with anger on this one, because it's worded as equal opportunity. So it's equal opportunity and no one religion will be promoted. And It must stay that way to keep its tenuous constitutional position. 

So... what would you put on your desk as your free religious expression if you were a government employee?

Could they stop a voodoo doll? A decorative wiccan altar? The Necronomicon?

Could they stop you practicing on your voodoo ddol.in your down time? Could you sit at your desk, give someone across the office a dead-eyed stare (like Aubrey Plaza) and slowly stick pins into a doll while looking at them?  If you're an occult person, could you find your favorite logo from The Lesser Key Of Solomon and frame the seal of your patron demon? Maybe add a winged hemophrodite statue? 

I have an impulse in me that would deliberately push the limits of this, without bitching, and I know im not alone in this urge. Like a counter to Trump's urge to goad the chruch/state separation issue.

Like he said you can now openly try to persuade people about their correctness of their religious beliefs in the federal workplace, so could an aspiring LHP know-it-all type walk around the office and talk down to everyone when they bring up their religion.

"I think you all act like a gang of monkeys without an original thought. I think you are all victims of epic herd mentality, dogmatic brainwashing, and should consider breaking the chains of your mental enslavement to the abstract by considering ________"

Is there a religion off limits to persuade people on?

My position with anything that is a person preference in life; be what you want to be, say what you want to say, do what you want to do, believe what you want to believe, etc.

As soon as you start trying to push it on me or my family is when I have an issue with it. Keep it to yourself, if I want to know about it or join you then I will ask.

[putnam6]

Not a fan ...

We need to be like the Japanese work is for work-related conversations, especially for federal work.

Why introduce anything to upset the workspace?

Makes me think this is to shed some of the current Federal workforce as much as to encourage religious discourse.

and/or a nod to the evangelicals

[Bootless]

I'm not gonna bite with anger on this one, because it's worded as equal opportunity. So it's equal opportunity and no one religion will be promoted. And It must stay that way to keep its tenuous constitutional position. 

So... what would you put on your desk as your free religious expression if you were a government employee?

I have an impulse in me that would deliberately push the limits of this, without bitching, and I know im not alone in this urge. Like a counter to Trump's urge to goad the chruch/state separation issue.

Is there a religion off limits to persuade people on?

I think that it would be instructive for people to read the Freedom From Religion response: Office of Personnel Management religion-workplace changes shockingly unconstitutional.

I have read the memo itself once through. It cites the Constitution and Title VII as its basis. Title VII is the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the basis for DEI non-discrimination. The memo does not directly cite Title VII, but rather, every quote is from some other source, just check the footnotes.

The current regime has banned DEI, and kept the religion part intact, or beefed up actually. Here is a hypothetical:
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My supervisor (who writes my performance report, used for promotion purposes) says: "Come join us on break for a prayer circle"

I respond "No. That is against my religion."

Super: "What?"

Me: "Jesus said not to pray in public to be seen by others."

Super: "What? You are a heathen, polytheistic, atheist! You don't believe in Jesus!"

Me: "But you do."
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The thing is, is that the heads of government agencies are Christian Nationalist Heritage Foundation approved appointees. Promotions will be predicated on how much people are "team players".

I don't really have any religious symbols to display, perhaps a battered tin cup and a battered cardboard sign with "any thing will help".

What religion is not protected? 

Title VII defines “religion” to include “all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief,” not just practices that are mandated or prohibited by a tenet of the individual’s faith.14 However, Title VII does not cover all beliefs. For example, social, political, or economic philosophies, and mere personal preferences, are not “religious” beliefs within the meaning of the statute.

My religion is not covered, because mine is purely concerned with social issues and personal preference.

[Vermilion]

I think that it would be instructive for people to read the Freedom From Religion response: Office of Personnel Management religion-workplace changes shockingly unconstitutional.

I have read the memo itself once through. It cites the Constitution and Title VII as its basis. Title VII is the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the basis for DEI non-discrimination. The memo does not directly cite Title VII, but rather, every quote is from some other source, just check the footnotes.

The current regime has banned DEI, and kept the religion part intact, or beefed up actually. Here is a hypothetical:
---------
My supervisor (who writes my performance report, used for promotion purposes) says: "Come join us on break for a prayer circle"

I respond "No. That is against my religion."

Super: "What?"

Me: "Jesus said not to pray in public to be seen by others."

Super: "What? You are a heathen, polytheistic, atheist! You don't believe in Jesus!"

Me: "But you do."
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The thing is, is that the heads of government agencies are Christian Nationalist Heritage Foundation approved appointees. Promotions will be predicated on how much people are "team players".

I don't really have any religious symbols to display, perhaps a battered tin cup and a battered cardboard sign with "any thing will help".

What religion is not protected? 

My religion is not covered, because mine is purely concerned with social issues and personal preference.

You said “Title VII is the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the basis for DEI non-discrimination.”

Actually, Title VII prohibits discrimination in employment based on race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.
DEI is racist and sexist.
In other words, highly discriminatory.
Even more discriminatory than Jim Crow laws.
Also, in your hypothetical that super is an a hole.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I think that it would be instructive for people to read the Freedom From Religion response: Office of Personnel Management religion-workplace changes shockingly unconstitutional.

I have read the memo itself once through. It cites the Constitution and Title VII as its basis. Title VII is the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the basis for DEI non-discrimination. The memo does not directly cite Title VII, but rather, every quote is from some other source, just check the footnotes.

The current regime has banned DEI, and kept the religion part intact, or beefed up actually. Here is a hypothetical:
---------
My supervisor (who writes my performance report, used for promotion purposes) says: "Come join us on break for a prayer circle"

I respond "No. That is against my religion."

Super: "What?"

Me: "Jesus said not to pray in public to be seen by others."

Super: "What? You are a heathen, polytheistic, atheist! You don't believe in Jesus!"

Me: "But you do."
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The thing is, is that the heads of government agencies are Christian Nationalist Heritage Foundation approved appointees. Promotions will be predicated on how much people are "team players".

I don't really have any religious symbols to display, perhaps a battered tin cup and a battered cardboard sign with "any thing will help".

What religion is not protected? 

My religion is not covered, because mine is purely concerned with social issues and personal preference.

It all makes me miss when CIA director John Brennan took his oath on the constitution. 

The Heritage Foundation, though.  I want to say "I'll meet them all again on the long trip to the middle," but they scare the shit out of me right now.  Particularly because I dont trust their ability for religious tolerance, and think they want to instill Theocracy or Christian Nationalism. It feels like they want a national religion, and that makes me sick and want to start shocking people until I feel better. 

But how much can four years really do? Outside Alito, and a few others, I cant see the Supreme Court going against secularism in the USA. Or upholding any one religion... *but* it's truly over if they do...

As long as you are still able to choose Principia Discordia or Book VI as your "religious text" in basic nothing too drastic will have changed, because there's always been some lines blurred. 

But I'm wondering..

If this memo permits and encourages things like a prayer circle it must also permit and encourage a 1970 styled mini Church of Satan ritual. Definitely not the nude altar, and not the cloaks and paraphernalia, but you could absolutely still chant in the Mairzy Doats sounding John Dee language they are partial to.

To match the Lord's Prayer circle, they could do a "compassion ritual for happiness and cooperation in the workplace," and even end with the standard "Shehamforash, Hail Satan." This memo permits that too..

And I think we are going to see a lot of that and the intention of this Memo will be tested.

[Bootless]

As long as you are still able to choose Principia Discordia or Book VI as your "religious text" in basic nothing too drastic will have changed, because there's always been some lines blurred. 

But I'm wondering..

If this memo permits and encourages things like a prayer circle it must also permit and encourage a 1970 styled mini Church of Satan ritual. Definitely not the nude altar, and not the cloaks and paraphernalia, but you could absolutely still chant in the Mairzy Doats sounding John Dee language they are partial to.

To match the Lord's Prayer circle, they could do a "compassion ritual for happiness and cooperation in the workplace," and even end with the standard "Shehamforash, Hail Satan." This memo permits that too..

And I think we are going to see a lot of that and the intention of this Memo will be tested.

Speaking of synchronicity: I was just reading about Hakuin Ekaku today, and the sound of one hand barrier. Then just now:

 
HAIL ERIS! -><- KALLISTI -><- ALL HAIL DISCORDIA!

Dedicated to The Prettiest One

The Upstart of one hand clapping
The Principia Discordia

Perhaps this writing is sacred.

I was watching a Youtube of AronRa. He was explaining why he joined TST, because religious organizations can bring certain cases that individuals can't. Something to do with standing.

Maybe we will see things like that happening. Go Satanic Federal Employees United!

[putnam6]

It all makes me miss when CIA director John Brennan took his oath on the constitution. 

He likely believes in an afterlife and thinks the ghosts of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington won't punish him with eternal damnation for breaking the oath he swore over the Constitution.

Because Brennan and all the other CIA chiefs since its inception likely broke their oath...

Let's ask Grok what the wording of the oath the CIA Director takes is when being sworn in...

Oh yeah, likely in the first sentence 

 

 
The oath taken by the CIA Director is the standard Oath of Office required for federal officials, as specified in 5 U.S. Code § 3331. The wording is:
 
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
This oath is consistent across many federal positions, including high-ranking officials like the CIA Director. Additionally, CIA officers, including the Director, may take an Oath of Secrecy regarding classified information, but specific wording for this oath is not publicly detailed beyond general descriptions of its intent to protect sensitive information