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Trump Announces Alaska Summit with Putin
(08-19-2025, 09:23 AM)Kurokage Wrote: The resolution to this 'conflict' is for Russia to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine and withdraw, it's that simple.  Wink2

If it was that simple, Zelensky wouldn’t have brought “back up” to the big ol meanie Trump meeting  Lol

Zelensky had to bring like 7-8 euro leaders ffs  Lol Lol
(08-19-2025, 09:28 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Let me know how that’s working out for the men still dying.
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Tell me how it's working for those people who don't want to be under the boot of Putin?? His little operation was supposed to be over in a week, here we are 3 1\2 years later and the brave Ukrainians are still fighting for their country and freedom.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(08-19-2025, 09:30 AM)Imhere Wrote: If it was that simple, Zelensky wouldn’t have brought “back up” to the big ol meanie Trump meeting  Lol

Zelensky had to bring like 7-8 euro leaders ffs  Lol Lol


It is that simple, except for the morons who think Putin deserves to keep all that stolen land.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(08-19-2025, 09:15 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: It takes manpower to hold and control land.  Sorry.

The British Empire of old relied more on naval power instead of large land-based armies.

And they controlled around a 1/4 of the Earth's land surface at one point.

Using ships to project global force.

Again, modern warfare is as much about technology as it is manpower.

I really need to be getting on now through.

Enjoyed the debate, ile come back later should i happen to get a free moment or two.  Saint2
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(08-19-2025, 09:30 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Outdated British propaganda? are you also maybe a supporter of another dictator who tried to wipe out a certain group of people??

You should maybe take a history lesson. Twice in Europe a war has started that ended up engulfing the globe. The 2nd one was about a tyrant invading and killing people of a sovereign nation, if you're to blind in your support for old Vlad' to recognised the similarities, then more fool you.


If you feel that strongly, hire yourself out as a mercenary for the Ukrainian.  I think many Ukrainian families just want the deaths of family members to stop and not lose more of the Ukrainian.  Making arms dealers rich is putting the Ukrainian on a road to lose everything.  Again.  If Europe wants justice, it’s going to have to intervene and put troops on the ground.
(08-19-2025, 07:51 AM)andy06shake Wrote: And what you are proposing is the appeasement of a tyrant.

He won.  He keeps what he stole.
The only alternative is escalation and endless war.
There are no good choices.
(08-19-2025, 09:35 AM)Kurokage Wrote: It is that simple, except for the morons who think Putin deserves to keep all that stolen land.

I'm not a moron.
I don't think he DESERVES to keep it.
But he won.  So he's going to get to.
The only alternative is escalation and endless war.
And that doesn't make sense.
There are no good choices.
(08-19-2025, 09:35 AM)andy06shake Wrote: The British Empire of old relied more on naval power instead of large land-based armies.

Why did they lose the British colonies in the US?

Why did the USA lose the Vietnam war.


Bombs and Navy’s don’t use manpower to control and keep land.  The Ukraine is losing the asset it needs to maintain its country, manpower.  

what do you think as a whole will happen to the Ukraine when there is no manpower left?
(08-19-2025, 09:35 AM)Kurokage Wrote: It is that simple, except for the morons who think Putin deserves to keep all that stolen land.


Reeeeeeeeeeeee

no amount of British little tears will get Crimea and the east back to you. 

it doesn’t take a Stephen Hawking to realize that NATO/British/EU are behind this mess from the get go. 

look at the meeting yesterday where Zelensky had to bring back up to the U.S. Trump meeting. 

He was scared of Trump. Starmer looked like a ghost most of the time.

Putin came alone to meet Trump.

Big difference.
(08-19-2025, 09:36 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: He won.  He keeps what he stole.
The only alternative is escalation and endless war.
There are no good choices.

Im up to my eyeballs here Flyers.

So sorry if i cannot muster a proper response.

But it's certainly not a good choice to appease dictator scum like Putin.

Unless you wish to give away the rest of the farm next year, if you know what i mean.

Because he will be back, and he will want more.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."



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