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(08-19-2025, 05:03 AM)Kurokage Wrote: So you think we all should just appease Putin?



Then send EU troops in the Ukraine.  How is selling arms lining pockets to Ukraine prolonging a war where the Ukraine will lose everything and a generation of youth helping anything.

See lots of Bitching.  But I don’t see Europe willing to do what really needs doing to get Russia out of the Ukraine. It’s not worth the cost over two equally corrupt governments.  Russia and Ukraine.  

How long has Europe been buying and dependent on cheap Russian energy?
(08-19-2025, 06:15 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Then send EU troops in the Ukraine.  How is selling arms lining pockets to Ukraine prolonging a war where the Ukraine will lose everything and a generation of youth helping anything.

See lots of Bitching.  But I don’t see Europe willing to do what really needs doing to get Russia out of the Ukraine. It’s not worth the cost over two equally corrupt governments.  Russia and Ukraine.  

How long has Europe been buying and dependent on cheap Russian energy?

Sending EU troops straight into Ukraine risks dragging the whole continent into a third world war.

That's why providing weapons and aid is the safer, smarter option.

It lets Ukraine defend itself without NATO troops on the front line.

And as far as im aware, Ukraine's government changes through elections, Russia's doesn’t, which is rather a big difference.

As for energy, totally agree Europe relied too much on Russia in the past, but that's exactly why Putin thought he could get away with this.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(08-19-2025, 06:07 AM)Ignorant Wrote: People like Trump who are claiming this world order is somehow bad for the US don't understand economics.


The US is over 37 trillion in debt. Interest payments are reaching a trillion dollars.

the national debt is strangling the USA.
The debt is not a problem by itself. As long as the dollar retains its position as global reserve currency the US can easily keep financing its interest payments AND huge military budget. Just have to be careful the debt to GDP ratio doesn't grow too much.

Of course, the US is not being careful right now. The result of its erratic and economically unsound policy is that in the short term foreigners are going to be thinking twice before buying treasury bonds which will make it more expensive for the US government to run a deficit, and in the long term the dollar's position is under threat.
(08-19-2025, 06:21 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: The US is over 37 trillion in debt. Interest payments are reaching a trillion dollars.

the national debt is strangling the USA.

The U.S. debt is large.

But not "strangling."

Interest payments appear to be about 3% of your GDP, which is similar to past decades.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
If every person in the US paid $100 the debt would be gone, I wonder what would happen if we did do that

In case youre wondering I divided 37 trillion by 365 million alleged voters, the payment could be even less if we counted the people who didnt vote
You're off by 3 orders of magnitude. It's trillion with a T.

37t / 370m = 100k
(08-19-2025, 07:00 AM)Ignorant Wrote: You're off by 3 orders of magnitude. It's trillion with a T.

37t / 370m = 100k

That includes ever man women and child and most likely illegal. Worlometer says 347 million population, and the central brain says 171 million working population. And my guess is. About 50 million of them are working poor. Which means it will probably take them a couple decades of ever penny they make to come up with their share.
(08-19-2025, 05:03 AM)Kurokage Wrote: So you think we all should just appease Putin?

Appease?  No.
Admit the reality that he won (stole) that land and it's his?  Yes.
Sucks.  But that's the fact of it.
Zellensky can't win.

If Europe wants an endless war it'll have to man up and send it's troops and it's money.
And that will cause Russia to invade more lands including those countries.   Just leave
America out of it.   It's Europes backyard and if they want an endless war and to make 
this thing bigger .. that's not our problem.
(08-19-2025, 06:49 AM)ReturnofBroccoli Wrote: If every person in the US paid $100 the debt would be gone, 

If the government would spend better it would be gone as well.
They waste most of what we taxpayers give them.



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