Trump Announces Alaska Summit with Putin

[Vermilion]

Ukraine may have to recognize territorial losses under peace deal, says French President Macron
https://m.economictimes.com/news/interna...352879.cms

It seems some of these leaders are finally waking up to the fact that Ukraine isn’t getting all their land back.
The sooner they start being realistic and honest about it like this, the quicker they can end this thing.

[putnam6]

Ukraine may have to recognize territorial losses under peace deal, says French President Macron
https://m.economictimes.com/news/interna...352879.cms

It seems some of these leaders are finally waking up to the fact that Ukraine isn’t getting all their land back.
The sooner they start being realistic and honest about it like this, the quicker they can end this thing.

It would be like the NVA heading back north on the Ho Chi Min trail, and leaving South Vietnam. After negotiations with Kissinger...

We could have thumped the NVA military, but because politicians were running the war, there was no chance.

When you find out what certain departments did in South Vietnam to effect regime change makes the Ukrainian FlimFlam even more impressive.

Certainly, John McCain knew how it all went down, now who was that famous Senator from Arizona...


Without McCain Im not sure Ukraine happens.

Graham jumped on board once he saw the red scare scam ol' Droopy Dawg had going.

He, Nuland, and a handful of others made it happen, RINOs clued the old guard Dems (Pelosi,Schumer,Biden etc) all saw it up close and expanded the grift Congressionally once sleepy Joe became Prez, because Joe saw it all go down as VP, that's where 10% for the big guy originated. Which was supposed to be Hillary's grift, there was too much money falling into the Ukrainians' laps, this is the real reason the left loathes Trump, he made them wait 4 years to upgrade the Kyiv laundromat 

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[IdeomotorPrisoner]

The complete recap of the Summit... Black Sea vs. White House. Esoteric version.

[putnam6]

The complete recap of the Summit... Black Sea vs. White House. Esoteric version.

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[Video: https://youtu.be/9cNQFB0TDfY?si=lLl3BnBrxDvp8S8B]

I dig it when your replies make me put down the bowl...

So the BlackSea/Putin checkmates the White House/Trump is that it...

WWGD or Harris FFS


exoterically spending billions, embezzling millions, killing thousands 


Back in 1955
Man didn't know about a rock 'n' roll show
And all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do

But Tchaikovsky had the news

With apologies to Bon Scott

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I dig it when your replies make me put down the bowl...

So the BlackSea/Putin checkmates the White House/Trump is that it...

WWGD or Harris FFS


exoterically spending billions, embezzling millions, killing thousands 
[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...tjztc0.gif]

Back in 1955
Man didn't know about a rock 'n' roll show
And all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do

But Tchaikovsky had the news

With apologies to Bon Scott
[Video: https://youtu.be/O24AipZ-buQ?si=yfl6W-p-06d83JjC]

Well, you know, I based that post on this quote, which followed his date with Putin.

"Remember how it started. No getting back Obama given Crimea (12 years ago, without a shot being fired!), and NO GOING INTO NATO BY UKRAINE. Some things never change!!!"

I could swear this was an official statement from the Kremlin! Могу поклясться, что это было официальное заявление Кремля!

My favorite Cyrillic letter is the backwards R.

It feels like Putin is the sly fox, and Trump is Willoughby The Dog saying,

"Where are we going today, Vlad? Where are we going? You and me is best pals, ain't we, Vlad?! Yessir, best pals!"

That kinda seems like what Putin really wants.

Like he tried to puppet their election but his Ukrainian Lukashenko lost, so he called them Nazis and invaded.

He had almost got his 3 Amigos back together and it tripped his god complex when it fell though.

Now, Trump comes backing a 2014 tabula rasa, which allows Putin another shot to reform the 3 Commigos and make Ukraine either a puppet state like Belarus or be at least be prevented from ever joining NATO.

[putnam6]

Well, you know, I based that post on this quote, which followed his date with Putin.

I could swear this was an official statement from the Kremlin! Могу поклясться, что это было официальное заявление Кремля!

My favorite Cyrillic letter is the backwards R.

It feels like Putin is the sly fox, and Trump is Willoughby The Dog saying,

"Where are we going today, Vlad? Where are we going? You and me is best pals, ain't we, Vlad?! Yessir, best pals!"

That kinda seems like "what Putin really wants." 

Like he tried to puppet their election but his Ukrainian Lukashenko lost, so he called them Nazis and invaded.

He had almost got his 3 Amigos back together and it tripped his god complex when it fell though.

Now, Trump comes backing a 2014 tabula rasa, which allows Putin another shot to reform the 3 Commigos and make Ukraine either a puppet state like Belarus or be at least be prevented from ever joining NATO.

Don't get me wrong, it's a brilliant move in political brinksmanship by McCain, so brilliant the little Russian couldn't let it go.

Again, it doesn't make the invasion legit; it's just how Putin sold it to the Duma..

Its as likely as your theory and the reality is that they both could be true INDEPENDENT of each other.

All the thieving grifting bastards and bitches crawled out from underneath thier rocks, to get rich in Ukraine

The basic premise was that Putin was pissed Obama outfoxed him, seriously pissed, which made the Russian interference narrative plausible for a while.

[putnam6]

Try to calm down.

I'm not making any fantastic claims.

I'm only quoting you. Are you that wrong?

Errr sorry man you are quoting Grok AI the whole theme of paragraph isn't ambiguous at all

Russia’s military is battered, with severe losses, declining troop quality, and logistical woes, but it’s not teetering on immediate collapse. It can likely sustain operations through 2025, barring major disruptions. A breaking point by 2026 is plausible if current trends—high casualties, economic strain, and equipment depletion—persist without relief. However, Russia’s reliance on sheer quantity, external support, and attritional tactics gives it some staying power. The situation remains fluid, and much depends on Ukraine’s counteroffensives and Western aid.

Calm down,  I joke around and get told to be serious, I get serious and be told to calm down...

forget the tone for a moment, snowflake and address the message...

Western aid will likely continue 12-18 months?  True or False

The only wild card remaining is the Ukrainian counteroffensive capabilties? True or False

In 3 plus years they have recapture 20,000 square kilometers, about 7 grand a year? True or False

I posit that these are all demonstratively true so therefore...

Ukraine will have to unleash a counteroffensives at a more rapid pace or on a grander scale than they have ever accomplished or they will never retake the occupied oblasts in 3 years 120,000 square kilometers is the size of North Korea 

in most cases where approximately 120,000 square kilometers of territory changed hands within a six-year period, the transfer was formalized through a treaty rather than simple conquest. Here’s why, based on the examples from my previous response:

• Treaties as Mechanisms for Large-Scale Transfers: Major territorial changes of this magnitude (e.g., ~120,000 square kilometers, roughly the size of Pennsylvania) typically occur at the end of wars when victorious powers negotiate terms with the defeated or when international agreements redefine borders. Treaties like the Treaty of Berlin (Russo-Turkish War, 1878), Treaty of Portsmouth (Russo-Japanese War, 1905), Treaty of Versailles (World War I, 1919), Potsdam Conference (World War II, 1945), and Geneva Accords (First Indochina War, 1954) formalized the transfer of large territories in a single diplomatic event. These treaties often involve multiple stakeholders (e.g., winning nations, losing nations, or international bodies) and codify the outcome of military campaigns, ensuring the transfer is recognized internationally.
  
• Why Not Simple Conquest?:
  • Scale and Stability: Controlling 120,000 square kilometers through conquest alone—without a treaty—requires sustained military occupation and governance, which is logistically challenging. Conquest might involve capturing territory incrementally, but holding it long-term often requires diplomatic agreement to avoid ongoing resistance or international backlash. For example, in World War II, Germany initially conquered vast areas, but the permanent transfer of ~112,000 square kilometers to Poland was only solidified via the Potsdam Conference.
    
  • International Recognition: Large territorial changes need acknowledgment by other nations to prevent further conflict or disputes. Treaties provide this framework, as seen in the Treaty of Sèvres (World War I), where Ottoman territories (~150,000 square kilometers) were reassigned to Allied mandates.
    
  • Complexity of Modern Wars: In the wars identified (all post-19th century), the scale of 120,000 square kilometers typically involves multiple regions or entire provinces. Negotiating their transfer through treaties ensures clarity on borders and governance, as in the case of North Vietnam (~158,000 square kilometers) via the Geneva Accords.
    
• Exceptions and Nuances:
  • In rare cases, conquest without a formal treaty can lead to de facto control, but these are less common for such large areas within a six-year window. For instance, annexations like Russia’s takeover of Crimea (27,000 square kilometers) in 2014 were unilateral but much smaller than 120,000 square kilometers and not internationally recognized.
    
  • Pre-modern conquests (e.g., Mongol invasions) sometimes involved vast territorial gains without treaties, but these often took longer than six years to consolidate and are less relevant to modern geopolitical contexts.
    
• Historical Context: In the wars listed (Russo-Turkish War, Russo-Japanese War, World War I, World War II, First Indochina War), military conquest set the stage for territorial change, but the actual transfer of 120,000 square kilometers or more was finalized through treaties. These agreements marked a single, definitive shift in control, aligning with your query’s focus on “changed hands once.”
  

Conclusion
For a territorial change of approximately 120,000 square kilometers within a six-year period, historical examples show that treaties were the primary mechanism to formalize such large-scale transfers, rather than simple conquest. Conquest might win the land temporarily, but treaties like those of Berlin, Portsmouth, Versailles, Potsdam, or Geneva ensured the transfer was recognized and stable.

[RickyD]

By spending billions, embezzling millions, and killing thousands... Till Putin taps out, probably circa 2027 or 2028

BCSWNFB

After this long, I can easily see it lasting 3-4 MORE years before one side vanquishes the other completely.

But Im sure Raytheon and Rheinmetall absolutely love forever wars

Wait I thought the sanctions had them fighting with shovels and washing machines...last I heard they would collapse years ago.

meanwhile countries like India told the US to kick rocks in relations to further sanctions on oil and gas.

Russia is producing 2-4x more weapons than before the war and improving them at the same time...but sanctions will stop them...lol

Its part of why I discount a lot of western reporting on the topic...they have now proven to be wildly off base. This war has done nothing but tip NATOs hand to Russia and allow them years of real world experience against some of our best tactics.

I don't believe Ukraine is the pioneer of all this drone warfare...that wreaks of US SF ingenuity. Particularly Green Berets as their typical role is to go in small numbers and train foreign forces to take on bigger better equipped forces. These are tricks we could have held back for an actual time it was worth using...not to cover our ass in a failed attempt to pull sway from a country on Russia's doorstep.

[IDELB2006]

Don't get me wrong, it's a brilliant move in political brinksmanship by McCain, so brilliant the little Russian couldn't let it go.

Again, it doesn't make the invasion legit; it's just how Putin sold it to the Duma..

Its as likely as your theory and the reality is that they both could be true INDEPENDENT of each other.

All the thieving grifting bastards and bitches crawled out from underneath thier rocks, to get rich in Ukraine

The basic premise was that Putin was pissed Obama outfoxed him, seriously pissed, which made the Russian interference narrative plausible for a while.

Anyway, the conclusion in your Grok quote doesn't justify what you've been ranting about all evening.

Carry on.

[RickyD]

Well, you know, I based that post on this quote, which followed his date with Putin.

I could swear this was an official statement from the Kremlin! Могу поклясться, что это было официальное заявление Кремля!

My favorite Cyrillic letter is the backwards R.

It feels like Putin is the sly fox, and Trump is Willoughby The Dog saying,

"Where are we going today, Vlad? Where are we going? You and me is best pals, ain't we, Vlad?! Yessir, best pals!"

That kinda seems like what Putin really wants.

Like he tried to puppet their election but his Ukrainian Lukashenko lost, so he called them Nazis and invaded.

He had almost got his 3 Amigos back together and it tripped his god complex when it fell though.

Now, Trump comes backing a 2014 tabula rasa, which allows Putin another shot to reform the 3 Commigos and make Ukraine either a puppet state like Belarus or be at least be prevented from ever joining NATO.

Back when it was all going down in 2014 during maiden...there was one moment that really put the rebels over the top. It was the snipers shooting protesters in front of the capital if I remember right. Later it came out from video and imternet sleuthing that those doing the shooting were part of one of the prominent nazi groups who were trying to frame the government for the crime. It got little attention because of how fast things were moving and the western influences were pushing a lot of propaganda to cover it. All those stories have since been scrubbed mostly. I did however find a fantastic scholarly paper written on the subject informed by 1000s of hours of video and hundreds of peoples testimonies...along with forensics from the mass casualty shooting which targeted government police and protestors alike. Its literally a play out of the US intel agency playbook. Well worth a read and may open your eyes to what I and other posters have been saying since it kicked off.

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