Trump Announces Alaska Summit with Putin

[Astyanax]

Biden... Harris...

Were Biden and Harris at Anchorage? I didn't see them. All I saw was Donald Trump, spreadeagled over a negotiating table and later upstaged and humiliated at his own press conference by a war criminal.

Biden? Harris? They're history, man. Pay attention: yesterday your president destroyed the last shreds of America's geopolitical credibility. He has already done the same for its global economic dominance with his stupid trade war, which he is already losing – predictably. He has no cards, and he has made himself, along with your unhappy country, the laughing-stock of the world. 

Biden. Harris. Lol. You forgot But Hillary.

[andy06shake]

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So Uncle Sam is just supposed to empty our arsenals and hand over the MIC American Express card, FTN 

70 billion buys Uncle Sam a seat at the table... 

You said that putnam6, not me, and the situation is somewhat more complex an affair as im sure you are perfectly aware.

America is not at war with Russia, Ukraine is.

A seat at the table is one thing, but you are there to support Ukraine against the old enemy.

The same people who have been pointing nuclear missiles and bombs at your nation, and my own, for the past 75 years. 

And that $70 billion is hardly charity, it's an investment.

Most of the aid is military hardware made in the U.S, which is fueling jobs and the industry back home.

It weakens Russia without risking American lives.

Strengthens NATO, and hopefully deters future wars.

[Ignorant]

Were Biden and Harris at Anchorage? I didn't see them. All I saw was Donald Trump, spreadeagled over a negotiating table and later upstaged and humiliated at his own press conference by a war criminal.

Biden? Harris? They're history, man. Pay attention: yesterday your president destroyed the last shreds of America's geopolitical credibility. He has already done the same for its global economic dominance with his stupid trade war, which he is already losing – predictably. He has no cards, and he has made himself, along with your unhappy country, the laughing-stock of the world. 

Biden. Harris. Lol. You forgot But Hillary.

Her e-mails though

[RazorV66]

Were Biden and Harris at Anchorage? I didn't see them. All I saw was Donald Trump, spreadeagled over a negotiating table and later upstaged and humiliated at his own press conference by a war criminal.

Biden? Harris? They're history, man. Pay attention: yesterday your president destroyed the last shreds of America's geopolitical credibility. He has already done the same for its global economic dominance with his stupid trade war, which he is already losing – predictably. He has no cards, and he has made himself, along with your unhappy country, the laughing-stock of the world. 

Biden. Harris. Lol. You forgot But Hillary.

The war started on Biden's watch because he was a weak, incompetent and incoherent president. 

If Harris would have won the election, Putin would have pissed all over her in any negotiations. 

Explain in detail how you think all those things happened with Trump and Putin not just because OMB has hurt your feelz.

[Kurokage]

So because shitty communist Russia is corrupt, graft-filled, manipulative, sneaky azzholes,
Then it's A-Ok, democratic peace-loving freedom-fighting ​​​​​​Uncle Sam should aspire to do the same?

What unmitigated bullshit logic is that...

If all your friends beat and rob somebody, it's ok for you to do it too....FFS America isn't Russia

America should be strong enough to effect change without the subterfuge...

It's your logic that's broken or maybe i should use the term you used?? "Bullshit", so when I did I state any of what you claim?
I was clearly showing that Putin had been trying to manipulate Ukraine for a long time, even before Zelensky was voted in and because his manipulation attempts hadn't been successful, he invaded. 

I was also responding to posters who seem only interested in blaming the west for any perceived wrong doing or manipulation of governments and giving Putin a free pass (like you seem to do)

[Harte]

As I posted on the very first page of this thread....

Putin played Trump or should I say Trump is doing exactly what Putin demanded.  

Trump said it had been "a great and very successful day in Alaska" after arriving back in Washington. After all, he gave Putin a round of applause for walking down a red carpet and then after listening to Putin's demands gave him a joy ride in 'Beast', but got absolutely nothing in return, say like a cease fire?
Trump had said before the summit on Friday that he wanted a ceasefire "rapidly", having threatened Russia with economic sanctions if one was not agreed. I must of missed that part during the press conference when Trump said to move forward Putin must agree to a cease fire??

Putin said that, in order to make a "settlement lasting and long-term, we need to eliminate the root causes of the conflict" in Ukraine. The root cause is the Ukrainian people defending their sovereign land form a foreign invading force, so in other words Putin wants Ukraine to capitulate because he believes Ukraine belongs to the USSR sorry I mean Russia!!

Trump is now Putin's lap dog and if any of Putin's demands aren't meet, Putin and now Trump can blame Ukraine and Europe for not folding, and agree to an terrorist invaders demands.

IMO, the importance of both Russia and Ukraine is overinflated.
Russia is at best a minor player on the world stage. Ukraine is even less so.

Seems to me that the people today that want this to continue (and say that not wanting it to continue is "supporting Putin's war") are the same people that once cried that the US is not the "world's policeman."

If you ask me, whatever happens is of little consequence, except possibly politically. If it doesn't cost the Republicans the midterms, then it doesn't matter at all.
So looked at this way, it's insane to keep giving hundreds of billions of dollars away to grafts in Ukraine and (of course) here.
I would accept a settlement ceding all land held by Russia to Russia and to hell with what Ukraine thinks about it. Gravy train is over. Ukraine isn't worth trying to "save." They won't live any better or worse no matter the outcome.

Harte

[FlyersFan]

He possibly did a little Russian dance and rattled the nuclear sabre in front of Trump.
 
And Donald kowtowed, or responded in some other senile manner.

Dunno'.
It's NBC so it may not even have happened.
They suck.
BUT ... if it did ... my mind goes to something else.
Putin is stone cold evil.
Imagine being near him.
Makes the blood run cold.
My mind goes to a more supernatural thing.
But that's how I think ...

[Kurokage]

The war started on Biden's watch because he was a weak, incompetent and incoherent president. 

If Harris would have won the election, Putin would have pissed all over her in any negotiations. 

Explain in detail how you think all those things happened with Trump and Putin not just because OMB has hurt your feelz.

You do like the blame game don't you! Maybe you need talk about your "hurt feelz". Come on, your amongst friends here. Maybe we can talk about your cult worship of bankrupt celebrities and dictators?   

Don't forget Trump was President (2017 to 2021) before Biden. Was he weak incompetent and incoherent too? This was on both Democrat and Republican presidents Obama and Trump. This all started with Crimea and then the Russia supported Donbas fighting.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2017/06/559322

The report, published today, covers the three months through 15 May 2017, during which the UN human rights monitoring mission in Ukraine recorded 36 conflict-related civilian deaths and 157 injuries, a 48 per cent increase from the previous three-month period, according to a news release from the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
More than 1.6 million people fled their homes and became internally displaced, while some three million remained in territory controlled by armed groups, the report notes.

[Kurokage]

....I would accept a settlement ceding all land held by Russia to Russia and to hell with what Ukraine thinks about it. Gravy train is over. Ukraine isn't worth trying to "save." They won't live any better or worse no matter the outcome.

Harte

Yes, but we all know how well that went down back in 1938? By giving into any tyrant and ceding land they've stolen, will only embolden them.

[putnam6]

The war started on Biden's watch because he was a weak, incompetent and incoherent president. 

If Harris would have won the election, Putin would have pissed all over her in any negotiations. 

Explain in detail how you think all those things happened with Trump and Putin not just because OMB has hurt your feelz.

These were the other "choices," and if you believe Kackle and Timba were the better choice to negotiate with Putin, it's ridiculous AF. I'd have easily preferred Biden over either one of those two utterly ill-equipped politicians. CBS had to butcher her interview to keep her from sounding like an imbecile, and Walz installed tampon dispensers in the middle school boys' bathrooms in Minnesota FFS. Those two easily trump Trump in the incompetence for international negotiations category

Not that K and T were EVER going to be the decision makers in the DNC or the White House