Trump Announces Alaska Summit with Putin

[Kurokage]

Wither you are willfully blind or don't know much about how nations especially the US operates. We engineer regime change all over the world and rig elections all over the world...a lot of that is public knowledge now from past actions. As the old adage goes...never argue with an idiot...they will just drag you down to their level and beat you at their own game. If thats the line you wanna take ok...it just won't be productive to converse about the subject. I guess we can revisit the topic in a few years when the truth starts coming out...if it ever does.

Just because Trump told you he really won and Biden lost, doesn't make it true, and the fool is person who believes that without actual evidence!! It really makes for a gullible Electorate.

As for messing with other countries voting, all intelligence services have done this for centuries, as well as official governments 'spreading democracy'. But you seemed to mixed that up with invading a country and installing a puppet (as Putin wished to do in Ukraine).

To have a productive conversation, some people need to stop thinking Putin isn't a dictator invading his neighbours sovereign country.

[Kurokage]

Funding just perpetuates war.

For reference, see 20 year Gulf War.

Just remind me who started that war and why??

[DBCowboy]

Just remind me who started that war and why??

Bush

For the MIC

[Kurokage]

Bush

For the MIC

So it wasn't to defend from an invading terrorist army trying to steal your land and make you Russian?  Thought I'd better check???

[UltraBudgie]

Can you name one country Russia fought in with Russian troops that wasn't on their boarder?

Thank you and I mostly entirely agree with your rants haha but: Syria

As for messing with other countries voting, all intelligence services have done this for centuries, as well as official governments 'spreading democracy'. But you seemed to mixed that up with invading a country and installing a puppet (as Putin wished to do in Ukraine)

This is a weird take because infiltrating a country and installing a puppet is what UKUSA did to Ukraine in 2014, right?

The National Endowment for Democracy, a central part of Ronald Reagan’s propaganda war against the Soviet Union three decades ago, has evolved into a $100 million U.S. government-financed slush fund that generally supports a neocon agenda often at cross-purposes with the Obama administration’s foreign policy.

NED is one reason why there is so much confusion about the administration’s policies toward attempted ousters of democratically elected leaders in Ukraine and Venezuela. Some of the non-government organizations (or NGOs) supporting these rebellions trace back to NED and its U.S. government money, even as Secretary of State John Kerry and other senior officials insist the U.S. is not behind these insurrections.

So, while President Barack Obama has sought to nurture a constructive relationship with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin especially in hotspots like Iran and Syria, NED has invested in projects in Russia’s close neighbor, Ukraine, that fueled violent protests ousting President Viktor Yanukovych, who won election in 2010 in balloting that was viewed by international observers as fair and reflecting the choice of most Ukrainian citizens.

Thus, a U.S.-sponsored organization that claims to promote “democracy” has sided with forces that violently overthrew a democratically elected leader rather than wait for the next scheduled election in 2015 to vote him out of office.

For NED and American neocons, Yanukovych’s electoral legitimacy lasted only as long as he accepted European demands for new “trade agreements” and stern economic “reforms” required by the International Monetary Fund. When Yanukovych was negotiating those pacts, he won praise, but when he judged the price too high for Ukraine and opted for a more generous deal from Russia, he immediately became a target for “regime change.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/27/a-...gn-policy/

While I don't agree with this article's somewhat fawning take on Obama's intentions, I think he and Nuland were playing a more subtle two-faced game, it's pretty clear in retrospect (or even at the time!) what happened, right?

It's somehow different or more/less moral if it's done with uniformed troops marching in though? That seems silly.

[DBCowboy]

So it wasn't to defend from an invading terrorist army trying to steal your land and make you Russian?  Thought I'd better check???

Nice try,

 

Ukraine may be trying to win the war, Russia may be trying to win the war, but everyone one else is funding it just enough to prolong the war.

[sahgwa]

Trump has announced a meeting with President Putin next Friday, August 15, in Alaska to discuss ending the war in Ukraine.

Reporters asked Trump if Zelensky must meet with Putin before his own meeting with Putin. Trump responded, “No.”

Should be good.



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This is great news. I hope it happens and goes well.
Those two Z and P are not able to talk like adults in private so I guess we have to go the round about route.

[putnam6]

You're asking the wrong questions...its not how far or how much ground in a war of attrition...its trade value...which is why friendly media reports inflated numbers that if you spent 30min looking into and using common sense you'd come to the same conclusion I have...Ukraine started with 1/4 or so of Russia's manpower. At first under NATO support traded way better than anyone expected. However over time have progressively traded way worse. The more this goes on the more one sided losses are. I am sure you avoid the videos of Russian strikes...but they aren't dropping FAB 1000-3000s on nothing. Not to mention the well documented campaign they have gone on to target drone operations. Eventually you can't replace those losses...its simple math...I dont have to like or care about either to see that. Ukraine just can't replace losses the same. Russia hasn't even a actually mobilized...while Ukraine is forced to snatch people off the street and force them to fight. Those guys are only there till they can run off...I mean if you didn't believe you'd live or it was worth your life would you just die in the drone grinder? I wouldn't....its so silly to believe what you keep saying when you actually get down to it that I struggle to find a way to have a productive conversation with you and those who are similar. I personally...and fundamentally could care less who of the corrupt top 20 corrupt places are having a hard time of it... Sorry not sorry...but it has nothing to do with me and everything to do with "them" as a country. Its bad enough being from the US and not approving of our own systems and how they function...why should I care about Ukraine or Russia's plight...my give a damn goes as far as it costs a lot of taxes to prop up Ukraine...and now the Cartels down south have a good bit of every weapon system we sent there. I said 4 years ago when Trump sent Azov the first Javelin systems it would end up in bad peoples hands...if the cartels are getting them whos to say the jihadi aasholes haven't managed to buy them. All we have done collectively is shoot ourselves in the foot as the collective Western conglomerate. Ukraine is losing badly and its showing exponentially day by day...bad people are able to buy high end NATO weapons systems because we gave them to one of if not the top blackmarket arms trade countries in the world...our ability to control the trade system seems to be eroding (basically all the countries still buying Russian gas/oil told us to kick rocks) and we are pushing the on the fence major players like India away. For what gain...so we can puppet and build bases in another country right on Russia's boarder for what...they weren't looking for conflict before Maiden 2014...in fact we obliterated an entire Wagner element without so much as a peep...

Stop being a shill with old cold war feels...and stop acting like we don't collectively...as the west...fuck with them as much if not more than they fuck with us...it makes you look like an idiot and as intelligent as I know you are makes it hard to take you seriously. I want to be able to have an honest conversation about whats gone on here...but you and a lot of others only seem interested is regurgitating the propaganda...we are supposed to be smarter than that. Hell one of the most ardent Ukraine supporters WillyOAM even admits this stuff now and he is pissed because he has a lot of friends fighting for Ukraine getting either screwed or wasting their time...and many reports have said such from their own mouths.

For the love of god...you are an intelligent person whom I have seen have thought out intelligent conversation...why is this the topic you insist on pushing the narritive?

Quoted because it needs to be read again and again. After wanting to discuss the Alaska meeting, the topic gets dragged back into the same conversations we were having at the beginning of the war on ATS. We've regressed and we are going over BS that has been covered over and over. 

And not go off on a tangent, but having a base level of agreed-upon facts or truths was what helped ATS into thar sweet spot where it was about learning, expanding knowledge, and a keen awareness of our government, congress, and its departments work against the GP as much as it helps them. Well, till ATS went off the rails

We used to believe the New York Times and its news and information was gospel, but now its opinionated articles and propagandized opinions. 

Used to our local metro paper, it was packed with information, now it's a party-slanted propaganda pamphlet.

[putnam6]

Doubtful, I can't see a deal at the first sit down 

More importantly, what are the bullet points of a potential deal that the Ruskies would turn thier nose up at?

While it isn't likely NATO membership, it is likely a defense agreement, it could be  military protection of some sort

[RichardHurt]

Doubtful, I can't see a deal at the first sit down 

More importantly, what are the bullet points of a potential deal that the Ruskies would turn thier nose up at?

While it isn't likely NATO membership, it is likely a defense agreement, it could be  military protection of some sort


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I see no reason for Ukraine to trust any agreement that assures they will be protected. They tried that in 1994 though then it was a soft promise to not interfere with Ukraine.
So this meeting is just a show Trump is putting on. Would be nice to end the war, I doubt Putin has any intentions of doing so unless Ukraine is wiped out.