Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers

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IMO: there is no way old folks can permanently quit sex and masturbation without going through one hell of a detox.  It is worse than child birth because ass holes can’t just dilate and push all that shit out in any kind of short term.  POIS is nothing to take lightly.  The whole body starts becoming damned with piss and shit when the screws start getting tightened upon the “coming of age.”  Imagine how full of piss and shit people are by the time they reach 40?! These kind of proposals belittle what a painful cleansing ritual that is.  This legislation sounds hypocritical.  But this topic is a good example of trying to be the change I wish to see.  If it works, then maybe people will follow the example, but they have to make the choice.  It can’t be forced on them by the government.

I suppose I did go through a long detox. When I mentioned 38 years it was regarding having actual sex with someone and not with regard to masturbation. I found that when I consciously tried to stop somewhere down the line I would have a wet dream. That went on for years. I don't think I have that issue now. I like where I am.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Ten years is too young to be anything but sheltered from a world out of control.

Mine really tried. But i wouldn't stop asking questions. I wouldn't accept, "you'll learn when youre older" i needed to know what everything was regardless.

And often got an answer out of exhaustion.

Don't even expose them to the Grimm Brothers' fairy tales as they were written.

Boo... (joking, do whatever)

Shortly after The Little Mermaid became my favorite movie i was bought Hans Christian Andersen for the Original.

And it didnt warp me.

I learned about ethical self-sacrifice!

Though I dont think my mom explained it that way. It was like she'd would rather sacrifice herself than see the prince die out of her love for him.

That is also when I fell in love with Danish/German fairy-tales and lore, which is like normal lore, only not wateted down and repressed by puritan conditioning and happy endings. You can even see more cultural pagan influence.

Exactly like American Children stories, only their Santa eats children instead. And that was very me, even in 1st grade.

I also felt smart, because at 7, I could tell all my friends Ariel is really supposed to turn into sea foam.

But then I was also surprised to learn at 11 that other kids  parents wouldn't let them watch PG13 movies until they were 13. My parents had to explain to me "PG" stood for "parental guidance" but it didn't really matter because THEY decided what we could see anyway.

I remember one movie they forced us too. 

"We want you to be quiet during this movie. It's very important to learn about"

The talking to when being taken to see Schindler's List at 11 in theaters.

I am glad they didnt shelter me from the realities of life, because it put me way ahead of other children.

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Mine really tried. But i wouldn't stop asking questions. I wouldn't accept, "you'll learn when youre older" i needed to know what everything was regardless.

And often got an answer out of exhaustion.

Boo... (joking, do whatever)

Shortly after The Little Mermaid became my favorite movie i was bought Hans Christian Andersen for the Original.

And it didnt warp me.

I learned about ethical self-sacrifice!

Though I dont think my mom explained it that way. It was like she'd would rather sacrifice herself than see the prince die out of her love for him.

That is also when I fell in love with Danish/German fairy-tales and lore, which is like normal lore, only not wateted down and repressed by puritan conditioning and happy endings. You can even see more cultural pagan influence.

Exactly like American Children stories, only their Santa eats children instead. And that was very me, even in 1st grade.

I also felt smart, because at 7, I could tell all my friends Ariel is really supposed to turn into sea foam.

But then I was also surprised to learn at 11 that other kids  parents wouldn't let them watch PG13 movies until they were 13. My parents had to explain to me "PG" stood for "parental guidance" but it didn't really matter because THEY decided what we could see anyway.

I remember one movie they forced us too. 

"We want you to be quiet during this movie. It's very important to learn about"

The talking to when being taken to see Schindler's List at 11 in theaters.

I am glad they didnt shelter me from the realities of life, because it put me way ahead of other children.

I was always open and liberal with my children, perhaps even giving them too much freedom. I am the same with my grandchildren, they can ask me anything about anything.

[MichSwampbuck]

I think that children should be sheltered from such adult topics until they are at least ten years old. Give them at least ten years to be an innocent child before they are bombarded with reality. Let them have those "wonder years" before they have to face certain things. They'll become teenagers soon enough.

There used to be defined stages in our lives. Baby's first words or first steps, then a period of innocence that changes with some "coming of age" event like a sweet sixteen birthday or the HS prom, and what have you. Eventually, you become a young adult at 18 y.o. and begin the pairing process to start your own family and repeat the process with the next generation.

These basic stages are getting screwed up, and pornography can share the blame for that disruption to our traditions. It also has addictive qualities like gambling does for some people. All this on top of the perversion of the sex act to become all these fetishes and strange behaviors that are essentially unnatural acts compared to a traditional young couple in love.

[MonkMode]

I suppose I did go through a long detox. When I mentioned 38 years it was regarding having actual sex with someone and not with regard to masturbation. I found that when I consciously tried to stop somewhere down the line I would have a wet dream. That went on for years. I don't think I have that issue now. I like where I am.

My decision was health based.  It is definitely more empowering mentally to kick porn addiction IMO.  But quitting orgasms altogether is not just mental, has a very heavy physical component to it.  During the “withdrawal” phase, I guess I will call it, even sitting in a moving car becomes impossible for me, without triggering some kind of tightening, like parasites and who knows what else, trying to milk my prostate.  Lucky for me, I commute to work on BART, where I have the choice to stand, otherwise I may have wound up triggering a devastating bout of POIS.  It would also not even be possible for me to look at pornography, without experiencing an insane hijacking of who knows what vital organs, and a possibly devastating POIS injury.

I have only experienced a non ejaculatory orgasm while asleep once in my whole life.

It was about 1070 days after I quit.  I had been talking to somebody I met online in a Semen Retention subreddit.  I knew this individual was a bad influence, tho tried to present as a friend along with me in my journey.  There was this kind of embrace failure programming it kept subtly pushing.  I kept talking to see if I could fish for any information, but that was stupid because it never told me anything I wouldn’t already know or suspect.

When I got hit by the NEO, there was a dream that warned me about it to force me awake.  It was a bit too late then, as my legs went a bit numb from an early orgasm trigger, and it took me a few days, maybe almost a week, before I felt like the injury from it healed.

I got pretty pissed at this subreddit troll for playing mind rape games with me and wrote a hateful post about it on Reddit.  I don’t do private chats anymore with strangers on the internet (presumably this chat here is somewhat public).

i started smoking cigarettes, and paying closer attention to dreams about sex since then, as my cue to wake up to fend off any attacks.

[Halfswede]

The porn issue can be dealt with very effectively and the solution has been proposed, but the porn lobby fights it tooth and nail. It doesn't infringe on any kind of constitutional rights. 

The proposed solution is simple and just involves requiring porn to have a .xxx or similar web extension that identifies it, much like .gov identifies government sites. It doesn't matter the extension, it could be .18plus or whatever, but if you want to show porn, it would have to be with an extension that identifies it as containing that content. 

That's it.

Why don't they want it?  Simple. You can personally or corporately block websites with that extension extremely easily.  Imagine blocking .xxx at your school's network routers and knowing your kids couldn't get to it there (or at home, or whatever.  They have fought it extensively every time it gets brought up because it's just too easy to identify. They want it obfuscated and easily gotten to even when parents and institutions want to be able to have some control.

It's no different than requiring cigarettes to not be intermingled with the candy aisle, or requiring various disclaimers on TV shows (violence, drug use, etc.) No rights lost.

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My decision was health based.  It is definitely more empowering mentally to kick porn addiction IMO.  But quitting orgasms altogether is not just mental, has a very heavy physical component to it.  During the “withdrawal” phase, I guess I will call it, even sitting in a moving car becomes impossible for me, without triggering some kind of tightening, like parasites and who knows what else, trying to milk my prostate.  Lucky for me, I commute to work on BART, where I have the choice to stand, otherwise I may have wound up triggering a devastating bout of POIS.  It would also not even be possible for me to look at pornography, without experiencing an insane hijacking of who knows what vital organs, and a possibly devastating POIS injury.

I have only experienced a non ejaculatory orgasm while asleep once in my whole life.

It was about 1070 days after I quit.  I had been talking to somebody I met online in a Semen Retention subreddit.  I knew this individual was a bad influence, tho tried to present as a friend along with me in my journey.  There was this kind of embrace failure programming it kept subtly pushing.  I kept talking to see if I could fish for any information, but that was stupid because it never told me anything I wouldn’t already know or suspect.

When I got hit by the NEO, there was a dream that warned me about it to force me awake.  It was a bit too late then, as my legs went a bit numb from an early orgasm trigger, and it took me a few days, maybe almost a week, before I felt like the injury from it healed.

I got pretty pissed at this subreddit troll for playing mind rape games with me and wrote a hateful post about it on Reddit.  I don’t do private chats anymore with strangers on the internet (presumably this chat here is somewhat public).

i started smoking cigarettes, and paying closer attention to dreams about sex since then, as my cue to wake up to fend off any attacks.

We are very different. I never had to kick porn, I never liked anything about it period. I don't even watch TV. THe last time was in 2009 when I switched one on whilst waiting in a relatives for a delivery. I only know that because that's how I discovered ATS. I gave up on relationships and sex though. Regarding abstinence from orgasms, I have no idea why I did that. I'm sure it was probably all the occulty Jungian stuff I was reading. I do remember a long time ago talking about the problem of wet dreams. Maybe 'problem' is the wrong word as it wasn't really a problem just a natural thing.
You are the only person who has ever mentioned that to me!

I don't regard anything as attacks. You seem to know a lot about the subject but I find it all rather mundane really. I hope it all works out for you.

[Ignorant]

Pornography is promoting degenerate behavior in an effort to destroy our culture, our American way of life. It's part of the 45 communist goals entered into congressional records. 

However, this bothers me because how will you judge what is pornographic? Better yet, the question should be "who will judge what is pornographic?" Can someone's subjective reaction (being aroused) to a video, a song, a book, or an artwork be enough to label it porn? Is it porn or is it "erotic" or "mature"? Where do you draw the line?

How about an even simpler complaint: It's censorship, a clear violation of the right to free speech. As far as I know, free speech is central to the American way of life. Why are we so readily discarding it when it's about porn? Because it's "degenerate"? I can think of a few more things on the internet that are "degenerate" and we don't feel the need to ban.

Why is porn degenerate anyway? It's a depiction of sex, without which nobody here would exist. Sure it's addicting, has poor educational value, etc, but this goes for e.g. social media as well; its harmful effects are well established by now. Lots of things are bad for us. But we have the right to choose to do things that are bad for us (as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others). This right is universal.

It's not about the harmful effects. It's just christians imposing their sex-negative culture on everyone else. "Praise Jesus, we banned porn!" If christians cared even a little bit about sexual education they would, you know, actually teach their kids about sex instead of avoiding the subject or promoting abstinence.

[MonkMode]

We are very different. I never had to kick porn, I never liked anything about it period. I don't even watch TV. THe last time was in 2009 when I switched one on whilst waiting in a relatives for a delivery. I only know that because that's how I discovered ATS. I gave up on relationships and sex though. Regarding abstinence from orgasms, I have no idea why I did that. I'm sure it was probably all the occulty Jungian stuff I was reading. I do remember a long time ago talking about the problem of wet dreams. Maybe 'problem' is the wrong word as it wasn't really a problem just a natural thing.
You are the only person who has ever mentioned that to me!

I don't regard anything as attacks. You seem to know a lot about the subject but I find it all rather mundane really. I hope it all works out for you.

The message I am trying to convey is that permanently quitting orgasms, achieving perfect continence, is a very powerful addiction to overcome, and I doubt there are very many who have succeeded in doing so.  The only folks who have succeeded exist the realm of mythology IMO.

[MonkMode]

How about an even simpler complaint: It's censorship, a clear violation of the right to free speech. As far as I know, free speech is central to the American way of life. Why are we so readily discarding it when it's about porn? Because it's "degenerate"? I can think of a few more things on the internet that are "degenerate" and we don't feel the need to ban.

Why is porn degenerate anyway? It's a depiction of sex, without which nobody here would exist. Sure it's addicting, has poor educational value, etc, but this goes for e.g. social media as well; its harmful effects are well established by now. Lots of things are bad for us. But we have the right to choose to do things that are bad for us (as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others). This right is universal.

It's not about the harmful effects. It's just christians imposing their sex-negative culture on everyone else. "Praise Jesus, we banned porn!" If christians cared even a little bit about sexual education they would, you know, actually teach their kids about sex instead of avoiding the subject or promoting abstinence.

Porn is literally very degenerate, at the cellular DNA level, as is sex and masturbation of any kind.