Today, lesbian gay and bisexual people have a new global organization

[Vermilion]

Transgender Map.

What a great site for pointing out who the ideologues are.

https://www.transgendermap.com/welcome/f...g-readers/

(emphasis added)


Anyway, without diving into deconstructing this person's background, isn't "person who writes articles critical of transgenderism has opinions critical of transgenderism that are published by outlets critical of transgenderism so they are a biased source" a sort of self-referential character smear? It says nothing about the content or quality of the opinions or information presented.

Andrea James (he) is an American filmmaker and trans extremist.

James grew up in Franklin, Indiana, earned a bachelor’s degree in English, Latin, and Greek at Wabash College in 1989, then received a master’s degree in English at University of Chicago in 1990. James then worked in advertising in Chicago at the Chicago Tribune and several ad agencies.

During gender transition, James developed several consumer resources for trans people, including tsroadmap.com, the predecessor to this website.

https://www.transgendermap.com/people/andrea-james/


James moved to Los Angeles and produced several popular instructional videos with Calpernia Addams, covering voice, makeup, facial feminization surgery, and coming out. They also produced and performed in the first all-transgender production of The Vagina Monologues in 2004. In 2008, they were in the first dating show with trans-attracted suitors, with Addams as the first out transgender star.

It’s almost like he started the social contagion in Hollywood.

[putnam6]

Beware here...

Children are not objects...

they are young people.

No matter how hard you beat a child...
a little... a lot... it's the adult that carries the scar.

Love is the only thing that keeps us from destroying ourselves over things like this.
"gender questioning" is a personal internal affair... it is resolved by the individual who lives
with whatever decision he or she makes....
Mistakes will be made.

Characterizing anything outside the mind of the child is a fool's gambit.

Individuals start out as individuals...
Then"society meddles" because the parents let them.

Even when we find ourselves frustrated and threatened by anyone else's choices, we have to accept that some decisions are their to make...

I said SOME.  "Parenting" is hard.
(That's why institutions "pretend" they can do it.)

Maybe some could... if they weren't managed by damaged human baggage, perpetually in denial over their own abject failures.

Anti-trans sentiment appear to me to be legacy hatred over homosexuality in general.

Most of us were to some degree indoctrinated to socially persecute these individuals... and we are slowly (perhaps too slowly for some) absorbing a bitter pill....

How a person feels about themselves... it's none of your business really.

But it is bolstered by another bitter pill the activist hate...

"It's not only your world... everyone, every social group, must negotiate it's presence with the world.
Some can simply glide in... others slowly change biases, 'walk.... don't run'... (a good example being the measured non-violence of the feminist movement of old.)

You can't FORCE lasting social change... EVER... it has NEVER WORKED - EVER - in history.

Anti-trans sentiment appears to me to be legacy hatred over homosexuality in general...



Not so sure, it's funny how everyone LBTG knows how every heterosexual thinks and feels...

But heterosexuals can't differentiate between gay and trans... 

It's bullshit hell in lots of mainstream industries; there are plenty of leaders and power brokers, representatives of the homosexual community.

The trans community has just now gone high profile in the 2010s and is expecting the same progress as homosexuals, who have been high profile since the 80s.

Give it time, everyone learns at thier own pace.

[UltraBudgie]

The trans community has just now gone high profile in the 2010s and is expecting the same progress as homosexuals, who have been high profile since the 80s.

Give it time, everyone learns at thier own pace.

I was quite okay with the LGBT progression until about the early 2010s because this made sense to me, which was a popular meme in the late 2000s when gay marriage was the big issue:



But since that time seeing the gradual incrementalism and lack of limits and desire to propagandize kids and demonization of anyone who dares disagree with them I have changed my mind.

I now think that humans have a drive to perpetuate their ways of looking at the world, through spreading and representing their ideas, and that drive is very clearly expressed though parents raising their children with their own values and experience and knowledge passed on to them. And the LGBT, lacking that reproductive outlet of ideas as well as genetics, must spread their ideas to society at large, which is okay¹, and other people's children regardless of their parent's values, which is not. That is why drag queen story hour is at grade schools and not retirement homes.


¹ If done with a respect for diversity of ideas, and not bullying or sneaky subversion tactics like censoring social media

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

But since that time seeing the gradual incrementalism and lack of limits and desire to propagandize kids and demonization of anyone who dares disagree with them I have changed my mind.

I now think that humans have a drive to perpetuate their ways of looking at the world, through spreading and representing their ideas, and that drive is very clearly expressed though parents raising their children with their own values and experience and knowledge passed on to them. And the LGBT, lacking that reproductive outlet of ideas as well as genetics, must spread their ideas to society at large, which is okay¹, and other people's children regardless of their parent's values, which is not. That is why drag queen story hour is at grade schools and not retirement homes.


¹ If done with a respect for diversity of ideas, and not bullying or sneaky subversion tactics like censoring social media

Its hard to undo the damage some types of early-life imprinting can do...

You have reverse it at the same age exclusivity and difference recognition were initally taught. That was the best intention before the road to hell.

Now, let's all sing along with the traditional genesis of phobia indoctrination!




I think its the red one that's not oval shaped!

[UltraBudgie]

Its hard to undo the damage some types of early-life imprinting can do...

You have reverse it at the same age exclusivity and difference recognition were initally taught. That was the best intention before the road to hell.

Maybe some places were like that but when I was growing up it was more tolerant and inclusive and yes not perfect but anyone who did that kind of bashing was looked at as a throwback and bigot. I've had gay and transgender friends through my life and while that's not my team it was never a big deal.

It was when the brakes (which I thought were regressive and mean) were taken off the LBGT movement in the 2010s, and the movement itself began witchhunting anyone who did not 100% agree with them like that Harry Potter lady, and moved as fast as they could to push every limit with every dirty trick of censorship, name-calling, deplatforming of 'bigots', overt ideological infiltration of education and media, showing no desire to tolerate or find any balance—that is when I reconsidered. I reconsidered the 'wisdom' I had once discarded that, if you do not push and contain what was called 'degeneracy' in society, it will push and push to subsume and before you know it children will be on the front-lines and phrases like 'virtuous pedophile' will be spoken without irony.

For me, it is the opposite of what you are saying, sadly, it is LGBT itself that did the 'imprinting'. And I suspect that there is a new balance being found in society: the more the agenda is pushed, yes, a few more youth will be convinced to the cause, but also increasing more adolescents and adults are seeing LGBT-everywhere as an uncompromisingly metastatic extremism.

[Maxmars]

Would it be wrong to consider that very often... vital expressions of civic importance lay dead... because activism demanded an ideological war...

"Inertia" manifesting itself as an effect... pushing harder is not a fix... not everything in reality gets fixed with a hard smack.

[UltraBudgie]

Would it be wrong to consider that very often... vital expressions of civic importance lay dead... because activism demanded an ideological war...

"Inertia" manifesting itself as an effect... pushing harder is not a fix... not everything in reality gets fixed with a hard smack.

It would not be wrong and as usual your thoughts give rise to fruitful ponderings.

But you're going to have to come down from 10,000 feet a little more for me to actually know what the heck you're intending to say.

[ANNEE]

I have more of an issue with women wearing thong string bikinis at pools and the beach. With most of their “parts” on display. 

But this is acceptable because they’re hetero?

[Maxmars]

It would not be wrong and as usual your thoughts give rise to fruitful ponderings.

But you're going to have to come down from 10,000 feet a little more for me to actually know what the heck you're intending to say.

Valid point....

I just keep coming back to good arguments made about different things ...

I don't feel that we're ever talking about exactly the same thing....

The announcement of a new formal organization to operate at a 'global' level specifically to 
do the virtuous things they list... would necessarily be a rightful entity on the public stage BUT their activists are still waging a war on 'the opposition.' 

The new breed of activist pathologically needs to declare a "total victory'" to succeed... hence 'tantrums.'

Stop the theater...
you are no longer exposing unacknowledged oppression,
you are now complaining that you want more understanding and acceptance from society than you are getting. 

Welcome to the 'now'... suitable for activism... real activism... not activism for the media spectacle.

I'm too old for this conversation... I've heard the like of the posturing too many times to pretend "this is different.'  And I don't really feel anyone should apologize for their position at all...  but I remember than mine does not have to be the same... I don't "need" to agree.

Some of the often relied upon rhetorical 'challenges' - since they are used so frequently one would think we agree on those for some relevance... but those arguments aren't heard because... [enter bullshit here.]

For example... does someone else's character and nature somehow affect your agency in life?  Does a disagreement demand abuse?

People who oppose the formalization of this agency argue from a principle... a virtual guarantee that it will meet opposition.  They are working through cultural changes they simply cannot control.  But that does not lead me to infer 'intent to harm' as a rule.  But let's not be children, and deny it's there.

Society cannot now, nor could it ever 'micromanage' a family or it's individuals.

Parents try to dance the parenthood dance... but the masters of society keep changing the music.

Left to ourselves... things do tend to work out between us.

It's always the "middle man" that seems to precipitate grief and sorrow... what's up with that?

... ramble enough for ya?

Sorry about the last post:  sometimes I get far too immersed.... It's a failing...
escaping from the stress of the day...
I would blame medication or something...
but let's be real... this is why I have no friends.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Maybe some places were like that but when I was growing up it was more tolerant and inclusive and yes not perfect but anyone who did that kind of bashing was looked at as a throwback and bigot. I've had gay and transgender friends through my life and while that's not my team it was never a big deal.

It was when the brakes (which I thought were regressive and mean) were taken off the LBGT movement in the 2010s, and the movement itself began witchhunting anyone who did not 100% agree with them like that Harry Potter lady, and moved as fast as they could to push every limit with every dirty trick of censorship, name-calling, deplatforming of 'bigots', overt ideological infiltration of education and media, showing no desire to tolerate or find any balance—that is when I reconsidered. I reconsidered the 'wisdom' I had once discarded that, if you do not push and contain what was called 'degeneracy' in society, it will push and push to subsume and before you know it children will be on the front-lines and phrases like 'virtuous pedophile' will be spoken without irony.

For me, it is the opposite of what you are saying, sadly, it is LGBT itself that did the 'imprinting'. And I suspect that there is a new balance being found in society: the more the agenda is pushed, yes, a few more youth will be convinced to the cause, but also increasing more adolescents and adults are seeing LGBT-everywhere as an uncompromisingly metastatic extremism.

Its all uncompromising and metastatic. 

Cultural memes always are. 

But ill let my will to speak clearly expose too much.

The LGBT brakes coming off was largely promoted by those of us with trauma on missions to avenge coldhearted religiousity and intolerance indoctrinated by dictates of scripture, which we feel contradicts compassion and reality.  

I let the brakes come off because of schadenfreude. 

I knew it would backfire, and I didn't care. 

My thoughts were. 

"Oh poor you, you cant teach your kids that gay is immoral and sick anymore or scare them into your safe space. And your getting ostracized for thinking differently than the expectation of culture, now? And the state is only letting you opt your kids out, same as always, but you cant stop the other kids from influencing your own? 

Shame. But hey, maybe we could send you all to woke conversion camp until you praise the altar of diversity and we fix your mind to OUR tastes." 

And it really was that bitter/vengeful. 

Watching the tables turn on traditional values for being antiquated and rooted in the damage of religious intollerance was as enjoyable as watching it get eradicated is for many of you.

Both the brakes coming off, and slammed back on,  thrown in reverse has their need for cultural revenge in common.

In short: I didnt care because I liked that rainbows and drag queens made people uncomfortable. "They" earned it for 1700 years of what i saw as unnatural dictate.