Today, lesbian gay and bisexual people have a new global organization

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Who exactly made the choice for me that sexuality (a natural behavior) can only be between a woman and man?

Oh wait.  Religion.  A man made construct.

I think its was Judaism mostly.  Blame the second Temple? 

Hellenistic culture certainly wasnt anti-LGBT. Dionysus said "go fuck everyone in the public bath."  

The Goddess Ishtar had Religion's first noted Progressive LGBT-inclusive clergy. Complete with a ministry of transgender priestesses. 

https://andreamariana.com/?p=1082

So no on Sumeria progeny.

And it wasnt included in The Code of Hammurabi. So you can assume the Akkadian, Assyrians, and Babylonians didn't care enough.

Though the Assyrians had a "Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" code. But that was more about the crime of male on male rape, rather than homosexuality.  

Obviously no prohibition in Greece and Rome..

Canaanites were the first explicitly called perverse.  Their behavior was forbidden by Leviticus as "customs of the land of Canaan".  

Judaism was the first to start the written stigma. Leviticus being that source text. That found a mutual feeling under Persian Control. While not written, the Zoroastrian oral tradition also denounced it.  Jews and Persians fed each-other and off each-other. 
 

The Book of Leviticus was likely written over a long period, reaching its final form during the Persian Period between 538 and 332 B.C., though its earliest material is traditionally dated to the time of Moses around 1440–1400 B.C. While traditional and religious views attribute the book to Moses, many modern scholars believe it was compiled and edited by later authors, likely from the Priestly Source, with the final version taking shape during the time of the Babylonian Exile or afterwards.

You can date the populism of heteronormative culture to the early part of The Second Temple and initially limited to The Archaemenid Empire. It came with the literary invention of Moses and a duality that preserved a two-pronged pantheon while also seeking to destroy and demonize it.

[Maxmars]

Maybe traditionalists thought of it as a hazard... a 'gateway drug' to another boogeyman.

[ANNEE]

I think its was Judaism mostly.  Blame the second Temple? 

Hellenistic culture certainly wasnt anti-LGBT. Dionysus said "go fuck everyone in the public bath."  

The Goddess Ishtar had Religion's first noted Progressive LGBT-inclusive clergy. Complete with a ministry of transgender priestesses. 

https://andreamariana.com/?p=1082

So no on Sumeria progeny.

And it wasnt included in The Code of Hammurabi. So you can assume the Akkadian, Assyrians, and Babylonians didn't care enough.

Though the Assyrians had a "Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" code. But that was more about the crime of male on male rape, rather than homosexuality.  

Obviously no prohibition in Greece and Rome..

Canaanites were the first explicitly called perverse.  Their behavior was forbidden by Leviticus as "customs of the land of Canaan".  

Judaism was the first to start the written stigma. Leviticus being that source text. That found a mutual feeling under Persian Control. While not written, the Zoroastrian oral tradition also denounced it.  Jews and Persians fed each-other and off each-other. 
 

You can date the populism of heteronormative culture to the early part of The Second Temple... like the invention of Moses and a duality that preserved a two-pronged pantheon while also destroying and demonizing it.

I appreciate the information.  Fascinating.

Still man made -- as is all beliefs.

[ANNEE]

There are always going to be outliers.  Things outside the norm of the bell curve.

Imagine -- contributing to humanity in more ways than progeny.

Oh, like Alan Turing -- Florence Nightingale -- Oscar Wilde -- Elton John -- Charley Parkhurst -- Ben Barres

[David64]

Imagine -- contributing to humanity in more ways than progeny.

Oh, like Alan Turing -- Florence Nightingale -- Oscar Wilde -- Elton John -- Charley Parkhurst -- Ben Barres

Do any of those people have progeny, other than adopted or through artificial insemination ? 

No one is discounting their contributions, just pointing out the fact that it takes male and female to reproduce for a species to survive.

[DBCowboy]

Imagine -- contributing to humanity in more ways than progeny.

Oh, like Alan Turing -- Florence Nightingale -- Oscar Wilde -- Elton John -- Charley Parkhurst -- Ben Barres

And none would ever exist without heterosexual sex.

[Maxmars]

It saddens me that notional "worth" is some kind of metric.
That the observations have turned to "value."

We are all people...

And I suspect none of us has a leg to stand on when it comes to judging other people.

[DBCowboy]

It saddens me that notional "worth" is some kind of metric.
That the observations have turned to "value."

We are all people...

And I suspect none of us has a leg to stand on when it comes to judging other people.

We may not qualify to judge, but we can observe.

[putnam6]

It saddens me that notional "worth" is some kind of metric.
That the observations have turned to "value."

We are all people...

And I suspect none of us has a leg to stand on when it comes to judging other people.

One man's suspecting is another man's judging...

It's tough not to judge when THE IDIOT BOXes suggests the GP should do exactly that 24/7.

[ANNEE]

Do any of those people have progeny, other than adopted or through artificial insemination ? 

No one is discounting their contributions, just pointing out the fact that it takes male and female to reproduce for a species to survive.

Is there anything wrong with their "plumbing".  NO

How do you think gay men and lesbians had children before artificial insemination.  Of course they can reproduce.

If you're not gay -- how would you feel being in a gay relationship?  Awkward?  Same thing.

Transgenders can decide before surgery -- if that's what they want.