Tinfoilers were right all along!!!

[IgnorantGod]

Alright, I thought it was time I check a bit more on the DIA/AAWSA document's background. I became suspicious when I got to the appendix whereas the name "Green" comes back a few time. I wondered if perhaps it was ufology's 'spooks' Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, and it looks like it is the case : Dr. "Kit" Green and AAWSAP. It seems AAWSA, which was a collaborative program between the DIA and BAASS (Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Science, what do we have here, a 'griter' in the name of Robert Bigelow, also infamous in the ufo community, especially for his involvement with MUFON : article) that was ended in 2012, supposedly due to a lack of results (why do I have that feeling of déjà vu?).

Note in the article on Bigelow versus MUFON, Luis Elizondo's name comes up, and his ties with AATIP (Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program) which was ran in tandem with AAWSAP between 2007 and 2012. Let us remind Luis's background in the DOD (Department of Defense) and, as evidenced in this document, his expertise on microbiology and immunology. Dr. "Kit" Green is a neuroscientist.

And thus, I got interested in finding if there was a more recent program that could still be running, and there is : AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office)

Its current director, Dr. Jon T. Kosloski, was previously working in the NSA (National Security Agency)! Here's a quote on his background from the link :

Dr. Kosloski received Bachelor’s degrees in Mathematics and Physics from California State University, San Bernardino, and a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering from Johns Hopkins University. The focus of his Doctoral research was the invention of novel devices that leverage principles from quantum optics to receive very weak phase-encoded signals. [...]

Moreover, it seems he has some ties with Christopher Mellon (AKA 'Mellon' miel), as suggested in this reddit thread : r/UFOs thread

Firstly, Christopher Mellon approves of him and believes he will be much different than the previous director. This is followed up by Jay Stratton saying that he is a "good friend".

It seems that yet again, 'high strangeness', technology, Intelligence/Defense agencies, scientists, oligarchs and entertainers aggregate together to sustain the Murky Water that ufology, the 'phenomena' and its weaponization form.

[quintessentone]

Alright, I thought it was time I check a bit more on the DIA/AAWSA document's background. I became suspicious when I got to the appendix whereas the name "Green" comes back a few time. I wondered if perhaps it was ufology's 'spooks' Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, and it looks like it is the case : Dr. "Kit" Green and AAWSAP. It seems AAWSA, which was a collaborative program between the DIA and BAASS (Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Science, what do we have here, a 'griter' in the name of Robert Bigelow, also infamous in the ufo community, especially for his involvement with MUFON : article) that was ended in 2012, supposedly due to a lack of results (why do I have that feeling of déjà vu?).

Note in the article on Bigelow versus MUFON, Luis Elizondo's name comes up, and his ties with AATIP (Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program) which was ran in tandem with AAWSAP between 2007 and 2012. Let us remind Luis's background in the DOD (Department of Defense) and, as evidenced in this document, his expertise on microbiology and immunology. Dr. "Kit" Green is a neuroscientist.

And thus, I got interested in finding if there was a more recent program that could still be running, and there is : AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office)

Its current director, Dr. Jon T. Kosloski, was previously working in the NSA (National Security Agency)! Here's a quote on his background from the link :

Moreover, it seems he has some ties with Christopher Mellon (AKA 'Mellon' miel), as suggested in this reddit thread : r/UFOs thread

It seems that yet again, 'high strangeness', technology, Intelligence/Defense agencies, scientists, oligarchs and entertainers aggregate together to sustain the Murky Water that ufology, the 'phenomena' and its weaponization form.

Thanks for the interesting link, but I am once again wondering if this is yet another man-made weapon of war, this time some high tech, perhaps classified, microwave or electromagnetic weapon. I wonder if Venezuelans have suffered Havana syndrome-like issues after the attack and if anybody there bothered to medically investigate those affected and what subsequent treatment would have been.

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"The Wayne State School of Medicine professor said he believed some of the injuries he has seen arose from patients being too close to 'subtle, highly powered, highly modulated microwaves' and suggested in his study that soldiers could have been accidentally hit with powerful radio or electromagnetic frequencies from the propulsion systems of these strange hovering and rapidly moving aircraft.
 Green said that symptoms of many of the cases he saw were similar to the 'Havana Syndrome', a mysterious illness affecting diplomats and US government officials in embassies around the world believed by intelligence agencies to be a targeted hi-tech attack.
 
In January the CIA released a report from a panel of experts who analyzed 1,000 patients' cases and found two dozen with injuries they believe could have been caused by pulsed electromagnetic waves from a device used by a hostile foreign power – most likely Russia.
 
Several of those injuries were sustained by diplomats at the US embassy in Havana, Cuba, in 2016.
But Green's paper focused on cases of US government and military personnel with similar injuries referred to him decades before 'Havana Syndrome' was identified."

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"Alleged Use of Sonic or Non-Kinetic Weapons: Claims emerged that the U.S. used a "sonic weapon" or "discombobulator" to incapacitate Venezuelan and Cuban security forces, with a viral eyewitness account describing soldiers bleeding from the nose and collapsing. U.S. President Donald Trump referenced a "discombobulator" and "amazing" sonic weapons, suggesting they were used to disable defenses. However, military analysts, including Elijah Magnier, argue these claims are likely exaggerated, noting that known U.S. non-lethal systems like LRADs or the Active Denial System are not capable of disabling electronics or causing such injuries. Instead, the failure of Venezuela’s defense systems is more plausibly attributed to electronic warfare, cyber operations, or high-powered microwave technology, all of which are known U.S. capabilities" (LLM)

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-used-...d-10823581

[Nerb]

There are some oddities about the way humans move in low gravity which are theoretically not possible in physics. Astronauts in places like the ISS, with no contact with a surface to push from, have been able to initiate some sort of forward movement by putting their arms out in front of them and 'corkscrewing' their body. Perhaps it relates to air movement but it is interesting. The effect is cumulative in that the longer you do it, the faster you go. In some ways, it is a bit like how we build up movements on a swing, where we also don't have a 'hard surface' against which to push, but simply augment simple harmonic motion through shifts of center of mass.

It's like they are in Water isn't it?

[chr0naut]

It's like they are in Water isn't it?

Yes, but other 'swimming' movements are ineffective. It is possibly that the use of the whole body is required to move enough air to produce a discernible effect. The waving of limbs used in swimming movements just don't seem to 'grab' enough air.

[IgnorantGod]

Thanks for the interesting link, but I am once again wondering if this is yet another man-made weapon of war, this time some high tech, perhaps classified, microwave or electromagnetic weapon. I wonder if Venezuelans have suffered Havana syndrome-like issues after the attack and if anybody there bothered to medically investigate those affected and what subsequent treatment would have been.

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That could well be the case, the intent to reverse engineer has probably being there early in the investigation of the phenomena. The document in the OP is quite transparent on this mather, albeit they mostly refer to "spacecraft engineering" rather than weapons, but who knows?

As the purpose of this paper is to argue that data exists to "reverse engineer" propulsion systems of anomalous aerospace vehicles, independent of origin, based on biology ... two recent examples will be given. [...]

So it's not like their efforts were all altruistic, but rather based on some well-known 'spooks' narratives. I tried to find a bit more about AARO's purpose outside their own diaporama. I couldn't find much of interest for here, however I did come across this FOIA document requested by "The Black Vault" owner. It seems AARO's is closely tied with the Pentagon, and here's a document on Timothy A. "Tim" Phillips, the acting director of AARO :

He is a Senior National Intelligence Service executive appointed in 2006 with over 40 years of government experience serving in a variety of senior Intelligence Community assignments in the field and at agency headquarters. Mr. Phillips is a retired United States Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel serving in peacekeeping, humanitarian, or combat operations in Lebanon, Somalia, Kuwait, Iraq, Joint Task Force Bravo, and JTF 510.

Therefore, it seems quite reasonable to assume the weaponization of some 'effects' of the 'high strangeness' phenomena is still an actual interest to some military folks. Moreover, AARO seems to be somewhat secretive about what it is actually about, and 'hard to reach' from the public. I'm kinda wondering if they aren't trying to be somekind of 'liminal' institution in order to 'attract' the phenomena to them, or 'summon' it?