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#21
(02-07-2026, 12:44 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Are you, perhaps, suggesting that New York was not the stage of an Alien Invasion?

But I've seen it on TV!

As for ferrous materials, if I'm to endeavor such a 'suit', I'd have quite a workout to do in order to perform anything else than desperatly crawling on the floor. Lol

No, apparently you can just fly around by the power of thought (which you are blocking by your gravitational and inertial anchor super costume suit (not quite sure how that works, though).

https://xmenmovies.fandom.com/wiki/Magne...e=65f7.jpg
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#22
(02-08-2026, 12:07 AM)chr0naut Wrote: No, apparently you can just fly around by the power of thought (which you are blocking by your gravitational and inertial anchor super costume suit (not quite sure how that works, though).

https://xmenmovies.fandom.com/wiki/Magne...e=65f7.jpg

Putting humour aside a bit, there may be something on this (and one can fly when asleep anyway). Here's another part of a comment from KellyPrettyBear that also fascinates me :
Quote:I'm hardly a classical Tantric scholar. I studied a lot of it for years, looking for cookie crumbs in biology and physics.

But suffice it to say, the 'Divine Female' is considered structure, matter and energy and in this case TIME.

Time holds consciousness ('shiva') prisoner. PS: Frankly it's technically 'pure awareness' or even 'the potential of pure awareness'
or 'the unexpressed potential of pure awareness' or even "the level before platonic idealism' but let's call it 'consciousness'
which is technically inaccurate, but for a westerner we have to make some liberalizations.

[...]

It's rather like (to use Siva/Shaiti language Tantric language),

that 'Shakti (the 'divine' female energy) through the power of illusion and deception,

holds "Siva (or Shiva)" 'pure consciousness' prisoner.

and it's true.

The sum total of all that exists is seen through the lens of limited beings trapped in time.

It's just how it is.

But apparently 'Siva' enjoys 'Shakti' riding on top of him, as 'He' should.

And everyone know that Amanita muscaria can make people taller, and make reindeer fly, so that performing an act might be all about what chemicals, and in which proportion are in the brain.

As for gravity, one comment in the Jacques Vallee's AmA intrigued me.
Quote:[...] I wish there was more funding for some aspects of the NASA work, especially human factors (and research on microgravity) which could lead to medical breakthroughs down here on earth.

So I went and look for effects of microgravity on the brain, and it seems that it is documented : Microgravity effects on the human brain and behavior
Quote:Evidence indicates the spaceflight environment induces adverse effects on the brain, including intracranial fluid shifts, gray matter changes, and white matter declines. Past work also suggests that the spaceflight environment induces adaptive neural effects such as sensory reweighting and neural compensation.

Flying may come with a 'price', and one must always be careful of its distance from the sun.
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#23
(02-06-2026, 03:55 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Good day, DI! In the spirit of acting towards the idea of "be the change that you want to see", this thread is somewhat the most rigorous effort to date I've put on such.

I'll be honest, I wasn't sure how to begin it. It took an hour to start, but then I read a sentence on a document produced in 2009 that I'll link later, of which, if it wasn't already posted here on DI, is, in my humble opinion, of extreme relevancy to the 'high strangeness' phenomena, so here it goes :

That's right folks! You want to block big bad gubmints and 'little green men' psycho-invasions©, then all you need is a tinfoil hat! We weren't batsh!t crazy! No!

So where's that statement is coming from? Well first, I'd like to expand a bit about the nature of the thread. I've read quite a few academia articles and research papers these past 3 weeks. For those that haven't read my previous thread, the topics were mostly about electromagnetic fields, neurology and consciouness. And thus, this one is an attempt to somewhat make a comprehensive relation between the above-mentioned subjects, and 'high strangeness'.

Without further ado, let me introduce you with The LinkTinfoilers, Assemble! *sending The Avenger musical theme through EMFs in progress...

It seems the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) and the AAWSA (Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications) of the US are studying closely the effects of a variety of EMFs on biological tissues starting in late 2000's, and according to the document, up to 2050 :

And here's the kicker : 
*Bold mine

Strange that they somewhat shy away from using UFO/UAP in their study :

Seriously, if they aren't talking about 'high strangeness'/UFO accounts, then I don't know what they are on about. Lot of UFO/Fae encounters include one or several of the symptoms list in that small excerpt. Note the "perceived anomalous aircraft of apparent advanced design", it made me chuckles. How much energy one has to spend just to say "UFO/UAP" at the end? Lol

Looks like the Intelligence community is still on it when it comes to the 'Phenomena'. This document seems to give an additional credence to the relation between 'high strangeness' and EMFs. Furthermore, the effects those fields may induce on humans, which have been demonstrated, are often present during an 'encounter'.

I'd like to put a last quote from the document of which I think is noteworthy : 
*Bold mine

This is another aspect that often appears in UFO/Fae/'high strangeness', fear. Cortisol is one of these hormones that can pass the blood-brain barrier, and affect the nervous system. I had an interesting discussion on this with ATS member KellyPrettyBear back in december 2020. One of the most fascinating statement he made was within this post :

Therefore, my fellow member, if you want to protect your body from EMF invasion, wear your protective gear. There seem to be increasing evidences that sexual hormones have a significant impact on the brain formation and the neurons, as discussed in this article : Understanding the Broad Influence of Sex Hormones and Sex Differences in the Brain

Here's a part of the abstract of interest here :
*Bold mine

This reinforce the idea that rising either sexual or fear hormones from 'bottom-up' can trigger physiological and psychological effects, and that it can be 'triggered' or 'forced' with EMFs. However, 'advanced technology' and 'physically unconventionnal entity' may not be the only culprit(s). Environmental phenomena can also generate EMF, and let's not forget ol' Earth's geomagnetic field. As a matter of fact. I've come across another interesting article from 2024 that attempt to relate paranormal phenomena with plasma balls : Electro-balls

I've only read the introduction as of this writing, but I think it could be a factor that can trigger a 'high strangeness' event. In any case, it seems that 'fields' are at the 'core' of the phenomena, but then again, they could also be at the 'core' of reality. At the very least, it happens that their effects on the body and the mind have been demonstrated, and were known for a while now.

Well, I think it'll do for a start, I do have other interesting tabs open on my 'research' browser, but there's enough material for the OP. Maybe we should start some patents on a DI tinfoil costume uniform? I mean, is the hat enough? Alright, I'll take the day tomorrow to cover the appartment of tinfoil too, can never be too cautious!

As always, thank you for taking the time to read, and Cheers!  [Image: https://denyignorance.com//images/addsmi...cheers.gif]

I want to delve deeper in the Blood-Brain Barrier (BBB) and relevant studies showing which forces, at what levels, actually can permeate that barrier. From page 19 of your first link:

"No effects, however, in fluorescein, sucrose transport, peroxidase permeability, or blood flow has been seen at acute SARs of 2.5 W/kg from 2450 MHz at 10 mW/cm2. But, for 1200 MHz at a SAR of 1.0W/kg, pulsed waves at 0.2 mW/cm2 or continuous wave for 30 minutes, permeability of the BBB does occur [46]."

Supposedly, this barrier is not as passive as we may think.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jmedchem.9b01220

"Focused Ultrasound (FUS) with intravenously injected microbubbles is a leading method using pulsed waves to temporarily open the blood-brain barrier (BBB).  Low-intensity pulsed ultrasound waves, combined with microbubbles, cause mechanical oscillation of the bubbles in brain capillaries. This generates localized forces that loosen tight junctions between endothelial cells, creating reversible openings in the BBB. The process is non-invasivetargeted, and allows large therapeutic molecules—like antibodies or chemotherapy drugs—to enter the brain parenchyma.  The barrier typically reseals within hours, minimizing long-term risks. This technique has shown promise in clinical trials for Alzheimer’s disease, brain tumors, and other neurological disorders. 
High-Frequency Pulsed Electric Fields (HF-PEFs) represent another pulsed wave approach.  Using sub-microsecond bipolar pulses delivered via implanted electrodes, HF-PEFs can disrupt the BBB while minimizing cell ablation. Studies in rats show that specific pulse waveforms (e.g., 10-1-10 μs) achieve significant BBB disruption (up to 0.51 cm³) without causing necrotic or apoptotic damage. The method allows fine-tuning of electric fields to maximize barrier opening while sparing surrounding tissue. 

Low-Intensity Pulsed Electric Fields (L-PEFs) are a newer, non-invasive alternative.  Applied via non-penetrating electrodes on the skull, L-PEFs use low-voltage pulses (e.g., 10 V, 90–400 μs) to induce nano-scale pores in endothelial cell membranes. This increases paracellular permeability without reaching electroporation thresholds, enabling controlled, reversible BBB opening. In animal models, L-PEFs have enhanced drug delivery—such as doxorubicin—by up to 29-fold with no signs of edema or bleeding. 
All three pulsed wave methods offer non-invasive or minimally invasive pathways to overcome the BBB, with FUS currently the most advanced in clinical translation. "

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/phy...47674/full

All these BBB penetrating methods require implanted or non-penetrating electrodes and/or intravenously inserted microbubbles to break through the barrier.


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"Salford et al. (1994) demonstrated that 915 MHz electromagnetic radiation, both continuous wave and modulated at 8, 16, 50, and 200 Hz, can increase blood-brain barrier (BBB) permeability in rats, with significant albumin leakage observed. 
Multiple studies have shown that 900 MHz and 1800 MHz radiofrequency (RF) radiation, particularly in pulse-modulated forms used by GSM mobile phones, can disrupt the BBB in rats, with effects observed at non-thermal exposure levels.  The effect was more pronounced in male rats, though 900 MHz exposure also increased permeability in female rats in some studies. 
Tang et al. (2015) found that 900 MHz electromagnetic fields activate damaging pathways, leading to BBB disruption and cognitive impairment in rats. 
EMF-Portal and Environmental Health Trust highlight that GSM-900, GSM-1800, and UMTS signals at specific exposure levels (e.g., 13 W/kg BASAR) can cause delayed BBB permeability increases, with effects lasting up to 50 days post-exposure. 
While 900 MHz and 1800 MHz are most consistently linked to BBB disruption in animal studies, the effect appears dependent on modulation type, exposure duration, and sex-specific biological differences.  The relevance of these findings to human exposure remains under investigation. " (LLM)

"Radio Frequency (RF) Bands and Allocations
  • Extremely Low Frequency (ELF): 3–30 Hz
  • Super Low Frequency (SLF): 30–300 Hz
  • Ultra Low Frequency (ULF): 300–3,000 Hz
  • Very Low Frequency (VLF): 3–30 kHz
  • Low Frequency (LF): 30–300 kHz
  • Medium Frequency (MF): 300 kHz – 3 MHz
  • High Frequency (HF): 3–30 MHz
  • Very High Frequency (VHF): 30–300 MHz
  • Ultra High Frequency (UHF): 300 MHz – 3 GHz
  • Super High Frequency (SHF): 3–30 GHz
  • Extremely High Frequency (EHF): 30–300 GHz 
Common RF Applications by Band
  • HF (3–30 MHz): Shortwave radio, amateur radio, maritime communications.
  • VHF (30–300 MHz): FM radio, TV broadcasting, marine VHF, air traffic control.
  • UHF (300 MHz – 3 GHz): Mobile phones, GPS, Wi-Fi (2.4 GHz, 5 GHz), Bluetooth, TV broadcasting.
  • SHF (3–30 GHz): Satellite communications, radar systems, 5G networks, microwave links.
  • EHF (30–300 GHz): High-speed wireless data, radio astronomy, advanced radar, security scanning. "

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    So our cell phones are 5G:

     
    "5G technology operates across a wide range of frequency bands, with channel bandwidths varying significantly depending on the band type and region. 
  • Low-band 5G (600–900 MHz): Typically uses 5–20 MHz channel bandwidths, offering wide coverage and good building penetration but lower speeds (up to 100–250 Mbps). 
  • Mid-band 5G (1.7–4.7 GHz): Supports 5–100 MHz channel bandwidths, balancing speed and coverage (up to 1 Gbps).  Common bands include n78 (3.5 GHz) with up to 100 MHz bandwidth. 
  • High-band 5G (mmWave) (24–71 GHz): Uses 50–400 MHz channel bandwidths, enabling ultra-fast speeds (up to 10 Gbps) but with limited range and poor penetration. "

    So there we all have it, we all need RF protective headwear.
"The only journey is the one within."
#24
(02-08-2026, 09:10 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I want to delve deeper in the Blood-Brain Barrier (BBB) and relevant studies showing which forces, at what levels, actually can permeate that barrier. From page 19 of your first link:

"No effects, however, in fluorescein, sucrose transport, peroxidase permeability, or blood flow has been seen at acute SARs of 2.5 W/kg from 2450 MHz at 10 mW/cm2. But, for 1200 MHz at a SAR of 1.0W/kg, pulsed waves at 0.2 mW/cm2 or continuous wave for 30 minutes, permeability of the BBB does occur [46]."

Supposedly, this barrier is not as passive as we may think.

[...]

Thanks for sharing your links!  Thumbup

Yes I agree, the BBB seems to be more susceptible to some parts of EMFs, but so is the plasticity of the adult brain. Who knows what kind of molecules that would 'normally' be blocked, could then pass the BBB, and how would that ultimately affect one's consciousness?

Here's another one that deals with common objects found in a house : Linky Dinky

From the abstract :
Quote:Exposure to EMF can stimulate nerves and affect the central nervous system, leading to neurological and cognitive changes. However, current research results are often vague and contradictory. These effects include changes in memory and learning through changes in neuronal plasticity in the hippocampus, synapses and hippocampal neuritis, and changes in metabolism and neurotransmitter levels.

There're other angles that got my interests, for example at some point, I started wondering if consciousness wouldn't be 'formed' by somekind of resonance between multiple EM fields in the body. I found that interesting link on this : The slowest shared resonance
Quote:The various resonance relationships examined, including between the brain and gastric neurons, brain and sensory organs, and brain and spinal cord, generally match the predicted SSR relationships, empirically supporting this principle of GRT.

SSR in the paper is defined as "Slowest Shared Resonance" and GRT is "General Resonance Theory". I'd assume that 'external' fields could affect 'internal' ones, and vice-versa.  Affecting one or several field(s) in the body would ultimately change the resonances 'formed' by them.

For example, from the introduction :
Quote: It is not arbitrary that there are five main bands because recent data supports the view that the mammalian brain often achieves, particularly during times of high performance, a binary (harmonic) hierarchical relationship between each band (Klimesch, 2018Rassi et al., 2019Rodriguez-Larios et al., 2020). For example, the middle range of theta is twice that of delta, and also for alpha in relation to theta, etc. This binary hierarchy supports the notion that the EM fields generated by the brain are indeed causal rather than epiphenomenal (Klimesch, 2018Rassi et al., 2019). The heart-brain, gastric-brain, and retinal-brain shared resonance relationships surveyed in the current paper appear to, in some manner, entrain cerebral EM fields, and vice versa (all physical reactions are necessarily bi-directional).
*Bold mine

They don't seem to discuss 'internal' versus 'external' fields/resonances interactions, however. Still a good read, in my opinion.
As far as the apple tree is concerned, there's probably not much difference between a worm and a human...
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#25
(02-08-2026, 11:13 AM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Thanks for sharing your links!  Thumbup

Yes I agree, the BBB seems to be more susceptible to some parts of EMFs, but so is the plasticity of the adult brain. Who knows what kind of molecules that would 'normally' be blocked, could then pass the BBB, and how would that ultimately affect one's consciousness?

Here's another one that deals with common objects found in a house : Linky Dinky

From the abstract :

There're other angles that got my interests, for example at some point, I started wondering if consciousness wouldn't be 'formed' by somekind of resonance between multiple EM fields in the body. I found that interesting link on this : The slowest shared resonance

SSR in the paper is defined as "Slowest Shared Resonance" and GRT is "General Resonance Theory". I'd assume that 'external' fields could affect 'internal' ones, and vice-versa.  Affecting one or several field(s) in the body would ultimately change the resonances 'formed' by them.

For example, from the introduction :
*Bold mine

They don't seem to discuss 'internal' versus 'external' fields/resonances interactions, however. Still a good read, in my opinion.

Thanks for the thanks and thanks for creating this wonderful thread.

So much has already been established (or has it?) that our technology is bad for us, but what can we do besides buying the latest copper/aluminum and other materials radiation proof hats?

"Cell phones emit both radiofrequency (RF) and extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields (EMF), which can disrupt the human body’s natural electromagnetic environment. 
  • RF EMF from cell phones is classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), based on limited evidence linking long-term, heavy use to increased risk of glioma and acoustic neuroma.  While the primary biological effect is tissue heating (especially in the head during calls), studies have shown non-thermal effects, including altered brainwave activity (EEG changes in 70% of people), disrupted sleep (especially REM sleep), and impaired cognitive function, particularly in children.  Real-world exposure levels can increase up to four orders of magnitude under weak signal conditions, significantly raising exposure. 
  • ELF EMF from cell phones—generated by internal electronics and signal modulation—has been measured at levels up to 70.03 µT (RMS) in 2G phones during listening mode, with simulated exposure in the brain reaching 8.45 µT.  These fields are in the same range as those classified by IARC as possibly carcinogenic (2B), linked to childhood leukemia and neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s. Studies show ELF fields can induce biological effects such as reactive oxygen species (ROS) production, DNA damage, and disruption of stem cell function, even at levels below current safety standards. 
  • Long-term exposure risks include genetic damage, reduced melatonin production, cardiovascular stress, and potential cancer development.  Insurance companies are increasingly excluding radiation-related health claims, and many medical professionals, including brain surgeons, advise limiting phone use near the head. 
  • Precautionary measures include using speakerphone, texting, or wired headsets (which reduce exposure by 10–400 times), avoiding use in low-signal areas, and keeping phones away from the body during sleep.  While organizations like ICNIRP and WHO state no consistent evidence of harm below thermal thresholds, the growing body of research on non-thermal and genotoxic effects suggests a precautionary approach is warranted"
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Create doubt?




Are exposure levels accurate?




Who and what to believe?
"The only journey is the one within."
#26
(02-06-2026, 06:18 PM)sahgwa Wrote: And they force us to carry our electronic leashes around all the time.

Not everyone dear chum! It is your choice to be a "Fido" with an electronic collar. (sarcasm)

Some people have habitualised themselves so far into dependance on a Mobile they have become isolated from their surroundings and common reality while the world around also locks it's step to do the same. I can see TPTB rubbing their hands together in the darkness at how smoothly all the electronic systems are being integrated into and onto populations.

Arthur C Clark set the scene with the Monolith and an out of control computer called "HAL" in his book "2001 a Space Oddysey". Mr Kubrick brought it to the masses in a movie, the rest is history. (Perhaps HAL actually means Human Action Limitation? Spin )

A big clue for me regarding humans under Machine/Remote Control was what could be written upside down on a pocket calculator, a clever thing designed to stop people thinking for themselves at a young age as a precursor to the upcoming tech wave which would need faster calculations than most meatbags could do...

5318008 = BOOBIES
710 77345 = SHELL OIL

MONEY and SEX, it makes the World go round. Lol

It's Turtles all the way down and Gangsters all the way up folks.

Wisdom knocks quietly, always listen carefully.... and be a River flowing calmly.
#27
Here's yet another fascinating link I found. I didn't know how to tie it with the thread, however there may be some relation to make : Origin of Cancer
Quote:Cells are open, highly ordered systems that are far away from equilibrium. For this reason, the first function of any cell is to prevent the permanent threat of disintegration that is described by thermodynamic laws and to preserve highly ordered cell characteristics such as structures, the cell cycle, or metabolism. [...]

The above is from the abstract. They posit that :
Quote:[...] Each of these three categories is equally important to the cell and they are reciprocally dependent. We therefore suggest that energy loss (e.g., through impaired mitochondria) or disturbance of information (e.g., through mutations or aneuploidy) or changes in the composition or distribution of matter (e.g., through micro-environmental changes or toxic agents) can irreversibly disturb molecular mechanisms, leading to increased local entropy of cellular functions and structures.

They try to elaborate a framework in order to combine the different models that try to explain the cause of cancer. They use the second law of thermodynamics :
Quote:We suggest that in principle any perturbation of information, energy or matter is able to initiate undefined molecular changes within the ordered cell system that is described by the state function, entropy.

To support their theory, there is this excerpt from the first link in my previous post :
Quote:EMFs exert various biological effects depending on their intensity and duration of exposure, such as cellular proliferation, gene expression, epigenetic changes, genotoxic and carcinogenic effects, and therapeutic effects on the body.
*Bold mine

With the documented evidences that such alterations in biological cells, nervous network, and ultimetaly consciousness, it seems reasonable to assume EMFs are fundamental in understanding what the hell is going on with reality, and our experience of it.
As far as the apple tree is concerned, there's probably not much difference between a worm and a human...
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#28
(02-08-2026, 12:22 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Here's yet another fascinating link I found. I didn't know how to tie it with the thread, however there may be some relation to make : Origin of Cancer

The above is from the abstract. They posit that :

They try to elaborate a framework in order to combine the different models that try to explain the cause of cancer. They use the second law of thermodynamics :

To support their theory, there is this excerpt from the first link in my previous post :
*Bold mine

With the documented evidences that such alterations in biological cells, nervous network, and ultimetaly consciousness, it seems reasonable to assume EMFs are fundamental in understanding what the hell is going on with reality, and our experience of it.

It makes sense that introducing toxicity to the body would change or block the cells' natural state and/or affect one's immune system in a negative way so as to allow disease to get a foothold.

"Key findings from animal and human studies:
  • Animal studies (e.g., National Toxicology Program, 2018) found increased incidence of malignant schwannomas in the heart, gliomas in the brain, and lymphomas in rats and mice exposed to high levels of RF radiation (e.g., 900 MHz CDMA, 1900 MHz GSM), especially at whole-body SAR levels of 1.5–6.0 W/kg. 
  • Human epidemiological studies show a modest increase in risk of childhood leukemia with prolonged exposure to high residential ELF magnetic fields (above 0.3–0.4 µT), though results vary by region and study design.
  • Some studies suggest a higher risk of brain tumors and acoustic neuroma on the side of the head where cell phones are predominantly used, especially among long-term users. " (LLM)

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    I was just trying to determine how, if any, these types of radiation can perhaps be the cause of newly emerging issues or assumed negative health issues, blamed on or perhaps misdiagnosed as other things, such as myocarditis/Covid19 vax.

    "There is no established direct link between cardiac schwannomas and myocarditis.  They are distinct entities—schwannomas are neoplastic, while myocarditis is inflammatory. However, both can present with similar nonspecific symptoms (e.g., chest pain, arrhythmias), and rare cases may involve overlapping imaging findings, leading to diagnostic challenges. In one reported case, a schwannoma was associated with myocyte degeneration and atrophy, but this is likely due to mechanical compression rather than true myocarditis. Therefore, differential diagnosis is critical—especially in cases of cardiac masses with inflammatory-like features on imaging."

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I'm still thinking about the consciousness aspect you so want to address, but what is consciousness, what is reality, where do we start?
"The only journey is the one within."
#29
(02-08-2026, 12:34 PM)quintessentone Wrote: [...]

I'm still thinking about the consciousness aspect you so want to address, but what is consciousness, what is reality, where do we start?

Well for the record, I'm less interested in finding what is consciousness, rather I simply like discussing the topic. I may actually be wrong and it being a self-delusion, I don't lack of those.

But if you want my 'personal' opinion on the matter, of which is mostly influenced by my conversations with ATS member KellyPrettyBear, I'd say it is a 'layer' of existence, and mostly a 'compound'. As such, I believe the 'self' dissolve in the 'environment' it is within, just like the body. I look at consciousness and the body equally, having no differences whatsoever except the 'directions' of their respective 'extensions' within 'reality'.

I don't know if 'reality' is an illusion/imagination from the mind, or the opposite, that is, matter somewhat 'form' consciousness through biological complexity and other yet to know factors. I don't care if either or neither are 'true'.

As to 'truth', well I see them as temporal things. That is, they change over time, and are dependent to the context within which they are formulated. Just like Heraclitus's river that is always both the same and not the same, at the same time. But at the end of the day, I'm always reminded of Godel's incompleteness theorems.

And this is mostly why I don't share my opinion for a discussion, it's a non-starter, since I don't have a horse in this race. So I wear a coat for the duration of the play, then change when it's time to. Or I'm self-deluding that I'm doing all this, who knows?  Lol

To elaborate on why I try to tie consciousness in this is mostly because the 'high strangeness' phenomena is closely linked to it. So that changes in the body may affect consciousness in such a way that it 'trigger' an 'encounter'/'paranormal event' at its level. Of course, I don't try to make it a 'one-size fit all' umbrella, but thought it could be one of the many factors that can provoke one, or maybe act as a catalyst of sort for an 'physically unconventionnal entity', if such 'exists', to perform its show. That is, some EMFs could be the 'stage' for a 'play' to a trickster.
As far as the apple tree is concerned, there's probably not much difference between a worm and a human...
Et le ver en dit : - Il y a toujours un pépin dans la pomme...
#30
(02-08-2026, 01:13 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Well for the record, I'm less interested in finding what is consciousness, rather I simply like discussing the topic. I may actually be wrong and it being a self-delusion, I don't lack of those.

But if you want my 'personal' opinion on the matter, of which is mostly influenced by my conversations with ATS member KellyPrettyBear, I'd say it is a 'layer' of existence, and mostly a 'compound'. As such, I believe the 'self' dissolve in the 'environment' it is within, just like the body. I look at consciousness and the body equally, having no differences whatsoever except the 'directions' of their respective 'extensions' within 'reality'.

I don't know if 'reality' is an illusion/imagination from the mind, or the opposite, that is, matter somewhat 'form' consciousness through biological complexity and other yet to know factors. I don't care if either or neither are 'true'.

As to 'truth', well I see them as temporal things. That is, they change over time, and are dependent to the context within which they are formulated. Just like Heraclitus's river that is always both the same and not the same, at the same time. But at the end of the day, I'm always reminded of Godel's incompleteness theorems.

And this is mostly why I don't share my opinion for a discussion, it's a non-starter, since I don't have a horse in this race. So I wear a coat for the duration of the play, then change when it's time to. Or I'm self-deluding that I'm doing all this, who knows?  Lol

To elaborate on why I try to tie consciousness in this is mostly because the 'high strangeness' phenomena is closely linked to it. So that changes in the body may affect consciousness in such a way that it 'trigger' an 'encounter'/'paranormal event' at its level. Of course, I don't try to make it a 'one-size fit all' umbrella, but thought it could be one of the many factors that can provoke one, or maybe act as a catalyst of sort for an 'physically unconventionnal entity', if such 'exists', to perform its show. That is, some EMFs could be the 'stage' for a 'play' to a trickster.

For sure, it could be a merging of the 'all' and the physical reality we find ourselves in or of our own making. But since everything seems to be in motion at different frequencies and perhaps therein lies the different temporal fluctuations we may experience (?), then would it stand to reason that any outside elements or forces entering our energy/matter bodies would effect changes in both forms?

Are we poisoning ourselves into different realities or different perceived realities?
"The only journey is the one within."