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Doesn't religion, as a conceptual "thing" always occupy a role of a socially acceptable 'yoke' among those adhering to it?
Whether it be by a sense of 'tradition' or 'ordained law' if it were not "accepted" as the order of things, how could it ever endure? How many have already passed into categories ranging from passé to abomination?
If we wonder at what exactly we each believe "religion" is, are we in fact on the same topic. For many it seems that religion can be divorced from spirituality... I hate to point it out what may seem obvious, but religion without spirituality is pantomime virtue signaling at best, abhorrent inversion of spirituality at worst. "Religion" was never intended to be empty and mechanistic... until quite recently, historically speaking.
I had always understood that religion was not simply about 'faith,' but the conduct of faith in the practice of life. The details are mostly left to traditions of history, scriptural decree, and cultural mandates...
Religion is the flavor of music you walk to, the beauty you live with... OK, I'll stop now....
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To expand on what I said earlier, in my opinion, religion is what happens when someone with spiritual experiences and perhaps ability , shares what they learnt, and then either they, or the people they shared with, use those ideas to tell other people what to do, even if they don't want to.
It's very rare to find a religion that doesn't tell it's adherents what to do.
In Feudal Japan, the Buddhist hierarchy in the court and the influence from the monasteries would cause people to shame and disassociate from other people just for eating meat.
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(03-12-2025, 12:57 PM)sahgwa Wrote: If the double slit experiment is all it's cracked up to be, then not believing in something may make it not exist. But absolutely everyone would have to do it. lol
I think particle/wave duality would suggest that all things exist until the moment in which they are view or negated. I think our existence is much like that in a quantum sort of way; every turn we make, every decisions don't change our future, but create multiple futures that evaporate as their probability withers. Or something like that.
I have a great book for you. "The Dancing Wu Li Masters." I'm not exactly certain how many times I've read it, but like the Holy Bible or any great work, you can open it anywhere, anytime, and find a truth that belongs to you. Wu Li is a Chinese word that -- depending upon context -- means beauty, or physics, or patterns of organic energy or a myriad of other meanings. The book demonstrates that psychology, quantum physics/mechanics, spirituality and magic are all functions of the Everything that is. Much like some ideals of God or a Godhead. Very good book to have on your Kindle ap if you're stuck someplace having wait for some asshat(s) and decide instead to lapse into a Quantum Zen awareness. Good for the soul, I imagine, if it exists.
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(03-13-2025, 08:27 PM)argentus Wrote: I think particle/wave duality would suggest that all things exist until the moment in which they are view or negated. I think our existence is much like that in a quantum sort of way; every turn we make, every decisions don't change our future, but create multiple futures that evaporate as their probability withers. Or something like that.
I have a great book for you. "The Dancing Wu Li Masters." I'm not exactly certain how many times I've read it, but like the Holy Bible or any great work, you can open it anywhere, anytime, and find a truth that belongs to you. Wu Li is a Chinese word that -- depending upon context -- means beauty, or physics, or patterns of organic energy or a myriad of other meanings. The book demonstrates that psychology, quantum physics/mechanics, spirituality and magic are all functions of the Everything that is. Much like some ideals of God or a Godhead. Very good book to have on your Kindle ap if you're stuck someplace having wait for some asshat(s) and decide instead to lapse into a Quantum Zen awareness. Good for the soul, I imagine, if it exists.
I enthusiastically endorse that book as worth the time and effort to read - at the time of publication, I found the curious application of Eastern spiritual lore and imagery to quantum concepts and perception modelling, novel. As with many things, it's a matter of mental exercise.
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(03-13-2025, 08:27 PM)argentus Wrote: I think particle/wave duality would suggest that all things exist until the moment in which they are view or negated. I think our existence is much like that in a quantum sort of way; every turn we make, every decisions don't change our future, but create multiple futures that evaporate as their probability withers. Or something like that.
I have a great book for you. "The Dancing Wu Li Masters." I'm not exactly certain how many times I've read it, but like the Holy Bible or any great work, you can open it anywhere, anytime, and find a truth that belongs to you. Wu Li is a Chinese word that -- depending upon context -- means beauty, or physics, or patterns of organic energy or a myriad of other meanings. The book demonstrates that psychology, quantum physics/mechanics, spirituality and magic are all functions of the Everything that is. Much like some ideals of God or a Godhead. Very good book to have on your Kindle ap if you're stuck someplace having wait for some asshat(s) and decide instead to lapse into a Quantum Zen awareness. Good for the soul, I imagine, if it exists.
That book sounds right up my alley, and the kind of ideas that I try to propagate here.
Thank you!
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As a wise old man once told me ,Football , politics and religion are for the feeble minded among us , it gives them something to do with their hands and feet  .
As many books mention Volcano worship seems to be a thing https://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/
And being a Pict I do not bend the knee to a basted boy of a Roman soldier
Deny ignorance
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Belief in a superior being or force is one thing. Organized religon is just man explaining what a god they made in the image of man told them. Are they being truthful or just controlling? That is the question.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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05-21-2025, 07:59 PM
This post was last modified: 05-21-2025, 08:00 PM by Proto88. 
It alot like Science with the ritual like procedures, and white robes. It explains all these wonderful thing my puny brain, can't understand. With the certainty of death and or mayhem because I offended an idea.
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This post was last modified: 05-22-2025, 09:19 AM by Inspector44. 
Religion is the drug of the ignorant sold by the elites in order to control the masses. Christianity and its cannon are a complete rip off of older ideas, stories, and traditions all wrapped up in a neat bow. None of its myths are original to Christianity and that goes for the other 2 Abrahamic ones as well. I firmly believe that if the catholic church had never existed, current human civilization would most likely be multi-planetary by now. Imagine how much truth they hide in that basement of theirs that could benefit humanity. However. I do enjoy the idea the Gnostics have that the evil god called Yaldabaoth is actually the one Christians all worship.
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Jimmy Carr said it best on the recent Joe Rogan pod cast, "god is the name of the blanket we throw onto the mysterious to give it shape."
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