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(10-30-2025, 09:35 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: How many outfits do you own still that were in your grade school pictures?

Knowing Patterson, the suit probably ended up in a pawn shop long ago in pieces parts.  Or parted out for something else or traded off to settle unpaid debts. Fell apart with time. Or general destroyed to hide the evidence.

 That’s easily explained.

LOL, there's no correlation or comparison between a bigfoot suit and your clothes as a child FFS 

pure simple-minded speculation ...  

So he is broke, spends his last bit of money on a Bigfoot suit with tits, and then destroys it. Makes no sense either

Hell, I believe the wild theory Patterson perpetuated the Bigfoot story in Bluff Creek because in one of his travels, he came across a north Cali pot farm, and they used Bigfoot news of the day to scare off hikers. 

The same theory is adapted to moonshiners of Appalachia: don't be creeping around in those hollows, or the boogeyman will get you. 

FWIW, there's probably some truth to the moonshiners' angle, but pot farmers would be less approachable.

Mostly, though, for me it feels like rehashing old news. Patty isn't my definitive case anyway, but it's taking on a life of its own. Rumors were that Heronimous was pissy because he got cut out of the profits, but there's pretty good evidence you can't fit Bob or most humans into a Patty because the dimensions do not mesh.
 
Quote:how much did Roger Patterson Bob Gimlin make from  the bigfoot film
 
 
Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin, the filmmakers behind the iconic 1967 Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot footage (often called the "PGF"), generated limited revenue from the clip and its associated documentary Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman. The exact total earnings are not publicly documented in detail, as much of the financial information stems from court records, interviews, and secondary accounts that remain confidential or approximate. However, available sources indicate the following:
Key Financial Details
  • Initial Funding and Early Costs: Patterson received a $700 loan from Vilma Radford in 1967 to fund the documentary, which he was supposed to repay with $150 interest plus 5% of any profits. This loan was never fully repaid, and Radford pursued collection after Patterson's death in 1972.  The film was shot using a rented 16mm Cine-Kodak camera, keeping production costs low.
  • Revenue Generation
    • Shortly after filming, Patterson partnered with his wealthy brother-in-law, Philip DeAtley (a paving contractor), to form Bigfoot Enterprises. DeAtley provided loans and initially held a one-third share but later withdrew and transferred his stake to Patterson in 1970 due to Patterson's cancer diagnosis. 
    • The primary income came from theatrical screenings, lectures, interviews, and limited sales of rights. Patterson promoted the film aggressively, touring it to independent theaters and media outlets. One notable deal was selling theatrical rights to American National Enterprises (ANE) for a "pretty good sum" (undisclosed amount) to fund a personal trip. 
    • Estimates suggest Patterson and DeAtley collectively earned around $150,000 (equivalent to about $1.3 million in 2025 dollars, adjusted for inflation) primarily from film showings and related promotions in the late 1960s and early 1970s.  This figure is cited in historical accounts but does not include later licensing or modern residuals.
  • Patterson's Share: As the primary promoter and owner after DeAtley's exit, Patterson likely received the bulk of this revenue during his lifetime (1967–1972). However, he faced debts (e.g., the Radford loan) and ongoing costs for promotion. No precise personal net earnings for Patterson are available, but sources describe the income as enough to sustain him modestly while battling illness, though not a windfall.  After his death, rights passed to his widow, Patricia Patterson.
  • Gimlin's Share: Gimlin was entitled to a one-third stake in the film's proceeds as a co-creator but claims he received none initially and was effectively cut out by Patterson and DeAtley.  In 1974, Gimlin sued DeAtley and Patricia Patterson for his share, with financial backing from Bigfoot researcher René Dahinden. The case settled out of court in 1975, with terms kept confidential—Gimlin has never disclosed the amount, but it resolved his claim to back proceeds.  One unverified account suggests Gimlin once sold a minor interest in the rights for as little as $10 early on, highlighting his limited involvement in monetization.  Gimlin avoided public promotion for decades, stating in interviews that the film brought him no financial benefit and even personal hardship (e.g., harassment). 
Context and Limitations
The film's enduring cultural impact has led to ongoing value (e.g., in documentaries, merchandise, and media references), but neither Patterson nor Gimlin capitalized significantly during their lifetimes—Patterson due to his early death, and Gimlin due to his reluctance to engage commercially. Modern earnings from the footage likely accrue to estates or licensees, not directly to Gimlin (now in his 90s). Rumors of larger sums (e.g., a $1 million offer to confess to a hoax) appear unsubstantiated and were rejected by Gimlin. 
These figures are based on declassified lawsuit details, biographies (e.g., Greg Long's The Making of Bigfoot), and contemporary reports. Exact totals remain elusive due to private settlements and the era's informal business practices.
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
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(10-30-2025, 09:51 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Maybe you should've taken your own advice 10 pages back when you got so hung up on Dr Meldrum???


I’m not the one that brought Meldrum into the thread. I didn’t know he was a thing until I read it in this thread.  Ironic that a contingent of the Bigfoot community were ticked that Meldrum validated hoax / counterfeit print casts.

Funny.  Has one Bigfoot hunter captured an actual flesh and blood Bigfoot and used actual flesh and bone feet to show what the actual footprints look like.

How do you know it’s not some three foot tall critter where the males have ridiculous large feet and the females have properly proportioned feet for their size?  Or visa versa.  Prove me wrong.
(10-30-2025, 10:07 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: I’m not the one that brought Meldrum into the thread. I didn’t know he was a thing until I read it in this thread.  Ironic that a contingent of the Bigfoot community were ticked that Meldrum validated hoax / counterfeit print casts.

Funny.  Has one Bigfoot hunter captured an actual flesh and blood Bigfoot and used actual flesh and bone feet to show what the actual footprints look like.

How do you know it’s not some three foot tall critter where the males have ridiculous large feet and the females have properly proportioned feet for their size?  Or visa versa.  Prove me wrong.

Meldrum has some of the casts taken at the patty scene, and was mentioned in one the videos. Then you dragged it out over 5 pages calling a dead man a con-man.

Come back to me when you've actually watched any of the videos other than something that conforms to your bias.  Lol



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(10-30-2025, 10:04 AM)putnam6 Wrote: So he is broke, spends his last bit of money on a Bigfoot suit with tits, and then destroys it. Makes no sense either


Ok.  How many Halloween outfits do you have from when you were in grade school and how did the material hold up?

Patterson actual had a habit of scamming people to get out of paying for something.

Why would he keep the suit if it was a hoax.  

I had to throw out all of my dad’s leather gear from when he was an ironworker in the 80’s.  It was mildewed and brittle and had dry rot.  

I’ve seen the adhesive on tape turn yellow and brttike in a few years.  Duct tape and its adhesive turn powdery.

What do you think would happen with the types of adhesives and materials used by Morris available in the 1960’s for a suit just stored in an attic or garage.  Probably never being dry cleaned after being worn.
(10-30-2025, 10:14 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Meldrum has some of the casts taken at the patty scene, and was mentioned in one the videos. Then you dragged it out over 5 pages calling a dead man a con-man.

Come back to me when you've actually watched any of the videos other the something that conforms to your bias.  Lol



Now show me a flesh and bone specimen of a Bigfoot they match with for validation.
(10-30-2025, 10:14 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Meldrum has some of the casts taken at the patty scene, and was mentioned in one the videos. Then you dragged it out over 5 pages calling a dead man a con-man.

Come back to me when you've actually watched any of the videos other the something that conforms to your bias.  Lol


Until the campfire stores of yours are validated by a fresh and bone Bigfoot specimen that can be examined.  All you have is faith in a group of people inundated with frauds and cons with no governing body to police itself and set standards.
(10-30-2025, 10:23 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Until the campfire stores of yours are validated by a fresh and bone Bigfoot specimen that can be examined.  All you have is faith in a group of people inundated with frauds and cons with no governing body to police itself and set standards.


See, you bias here stands out like a sore thumb. 

Never once I have claimed to believe in Bigfoot, and especially not in this thread but because your so stuck at trying to attack anything I've posted, you've made yourself look foolish.

All you have faith in, is that your right, and everybody else is wrong!!

You keep 'reeing' about showing you a dead body, and that I'm a believer and have faith in a group of frauds and cons. How about you shut up or put up. Go and show me where I claim to believe all this!!!

I'll wait for your next post of your 'proof'  Lol   Lol   Lol



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(10-30-2025, 10:16 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote:
(10-30-2025, 10:16 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Ok.  How many Halloween outfits do you have from when you were in grade school and how did the material hold up?

Patterson actual had a habit of scamming people to get out of paying for something.

Why would he keep the suit if it was a hoax.  

I had to throw out all of my dad’s leather gear from when he was an ironworker in the 80’s.  It was mildewed and brittle and had dry rot.  

I’ve seen the adhesive on tape turn yellow and brttike in a few years.  Duct tape and its adhesive turn powdery.

What do you think would happen with the types of adhesives and materials used by Morris available in the 1960’s for a suit just stored in an attic or garage.  Probably never being dry cleaned after being worn.

pretty much the definition of a strawman argument, again no correlation except in your head 

Yeah heard this all before none of this is new to me...

the counter Ive heard used is so a flimsy made costume made of flimsy material survived being packed up and worn in the sand rocks and sticks and logs of Bluff Creek yet still was convinding enough almost 60 years later.

All the while the suit Morris shows is nothing like the Patty costume, and the answer was Pattersom altered it. 

So we are too believe no one in the industry could recreate what Pattterson would have had to have done?
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
[Image: PEART-2744335652.gif]

 
(10-30-2025, 10:54 AM)putnam6 Wrote:  

Straw man?

I don’t do magnet fishing because I wonder how any of the guns found were used in a crime.

Why would Patterson keep the suit if it was part of a hoax?  

Where my parents were born in the 1940’s.  Where I seen how items that had adhesives broke down with heat and cold over the years, especially if stored in a garage or attic.  Condensation working on items, and things get mildewed.  Where mice have made nests in things and pooped over everything. Seen that in numerous settings.  Home and industrial.  Little critters chew on things.  Where my parents smoked all their lives and things would be ruined with nicotine stains.  

That’s just reality.
(10-30-2025, 10:31 AM)Kurokage Wrote: See, you bias here stands out like a sore thumb. 


I’m not the one that keeps pushing videos of people that claim Bigfoot but never can produce a flesh and bone specimen.  So, there is no validation of anything they claim.  Where bears and mountain lions are captured every year.  And bear and mountain lion research can be validated.  

So.  Either everything they think they know about Bigfeet is wrong and erroneous.  Thus why they are incompetent at capturing a flesh and bone specimen for examination.  In a world where even giant squids wash up on shore, yet not even a confirmed Bigfoot corpse.   Or Bigfeet aren’t flesh and bone like mountain lions and bears.



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