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The Patterson-Gimlin Footage.
(10-28-2025, 09:05 AM)Kurokage Wrote: You seem to be trying to force me down the believers path. I'm not, but I just know that during homo sapiens time on this planet, we spent it with many other upright bipeds with things like homo floresiensis existing till as recently as 12,000 years ago, and Neanderthals 40,000 years ago. I just haven't entirely ruled it out. Jane Goodall thought it could possibly exist, as have some other experts.

People have claimed to have hit a bigfoot on the road. Maybe like us, the care for and bury their dead??

You seem to be picking huge populations (bears 55,000 and Americans 340 million) for caparison compared to what's claimed for the supposed 'bigfoot' population of between 2,000 and 6,000.

Yes, but... how do we know of those archaic species? Because we have physical evidence of them.
 
Time and geology being what they are, after 40,000 to 150,000 years, discernable evidence was clearly identified of these long extinct hominid species, but nobody can find evidence of an existing species here now, a creature whose morphology predates humans and lives parallel to them.....?

I'm going with- no.

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(10-28-2025, 09:36 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Ok.  Produce an actual flesh and bone Bigfoot.  Until then you only have con-men and faith.

They guy literally never thought to put up a trail cam or sit in a blind with video equipment.  I would track animals that usually lead to scat and stuff.  So I knew where to set out a blind to get a picture.


Hoaxing in anthropology is academic, like Piltdown Man, and part of the Zeitgeist of the 19th & 20th Century hucksters. PG film demonstrates this clearly, except nobody anticipated image stabilization tech. 


(10-28-2025, 01:47 PM)ArMaP Wrote: While looking for better versions of the images/video I found two things I had never seen:

1 - A scanned 4x5in colour transparency made by Kodak used on a PDF (that's why it has that blue rectangle);
(click for full size)


2 - A (bad) copy of the full film, in which we can see that "Patty" appears 3 times, around 2:35, followed by the famous sequence, and the final part, where we can see "Patty" moving away.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c..._film.webm

Too bad we don't have the full film with that scan quality...


Great post, the video I posted back on page 4 from 'Cabin in the Woods' talks about an effort to clean up and scan, then post the original film online, so it could be possible to get a better look at 'Patty' after all these years. 
Here's a copy of the best version of the Patterson film.

Patterson Gimlin Film Restoration and Analysis from the same guy, with comparisons to the different version out there.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(10-28-2025, 11:52 PM)Bush Master Wrote: Yes, but... how do we know of those archaic species? Because we have physical evidence of them.
 
Time and geology being what they are, after 40,000 to 150,000 years, discernable evidence was clearly identified of these long extinct hominid species, but nobody can find evidence of an existing species here now, a creature whose morphology predates humans and lives parallel to them.....?

I'm going with- no.

You make a good point, except for the fact that the 'Hobbit' (homo floresiensis) wasn't discovered till September 03, until then no one knew about it. Yet reports of little people were made by the people that live there, even though it went extinct 12,000 years ago. 
There's only been around 400 Neanderthals found yet the species covered half the planet, it's also known that there's at least one more unknown hominid species in our DNA.
That's why I remain on the fence, and find the subject so interesting.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(10-29-2025, 05:20 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Great post, 

 Be better if the Bigfoot industrial complex Smilegrin was based on actual flesh and blood specimens.  Not “the one that got away”.

Bigfoot sightings at this point are:

1) People confused with seeing things like bears.

2) People seeing something like a spirit or something supernatural.

3)  Or as Bush Master has shown, right out lies where there is a definite history of fraud and hoaxing. Sad people try to legislate lies for attention and attention.
Here are supposed recent reports from hunters who have claimed to have seen Bigfoot.  Thumbup
I chose a vid but there's plenty of reports out there on sites like the BFRO




 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(10-29-2025, 05:38 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Here are supposed recent reports from hunters who have claimed to have seen Bigfoot.  Thumbup
I chose a vid but there's plenty of reports out there on sites like the BFRO

Added.  Bigfeet sightings are more common in bear country.  Yet, a bear hunter has never accidentally killed a Bigfoot?

Dude.  There is only about 25,000 lions in all of Africa.  The population is known and tracked.  Right or wrong, about 600 lions a year are harvested through hunting.

If there was a flesh and bone Bigfoot population in North America, it would be known and tracked.  

Bigfoot isn’t a flesh and bone creature like lions.  They don’t exist like lions.  It’s pretty clear and simple.
(10-29-2025, 05:38 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Here are supposed recent reports from hunters who have claimed to have seen Bigfoot.  Thumbup


Again.  It’s still the “fisherman and the one that got away” mentality.  The last thing I would trust is a campfire story.

 Smilegrin
(10-29-2025, 05:45 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Added.  Bigfeet sightings are more common in bear country.  Yet, a bear hunter has never accidentally killed a Bigfoot?

Dude.  There is only about 25,000 lions in all of Africa.  The population is known and tracked.  Right or wrong, about 600 lions a year are harvested through hunting.

If there was a flesh and bone Bigfoot population in North America, it would be known and tracked.  

Bigfoot isn’t a flesh and bone creature like lions.  They don’t exist like lions.  It’s pretty clear and simple.

You're obsessed with thinking I'm a believer. I'm a healthy sceptic with an interest in the subject, like many others.  I can't out right deny it nor can I absolutely prove it to be true. 
You also seem to think it's just 'city' people who make reports of these things, yet it's life long hunters who have also claimed to have seen it, with some even claiming to have the 'creature' in their sights but felt they'd be killing a person.
Maybe go and watch some of the videos I've posted instead of constantly claiming it's a con??



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(10-29-2025, 05:54 AM)Kurokage Wrote: You're obsessed with thinking I'm a believer. I'm a healthy sceptic

And yet, I post the reality of the situation.  Where a physical flesh and bone Bigfoot cannot be produced.  Then you try to belittle the reality of the situation.  And then you poo poo that Bigfeet might very well be supernatural.

Sorry, there is no evidence Bigfeet are flesh and bone.  And your posts show you have too much faith in cons and campfire stories.



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