The Patterson-Gimlin Footage.

[WallFlowerActive]

I don't have to provide you with anything, get over yourself. 

All you have is faith in con-man.

If you don’t think Bigfeet are some sort of spirit, produce a blood and flesh Bigfoot.

Has nothing to do with “myself”.  Millions of people would love to track Bigfoot and get that “million dollar” video or shot.  And yet, no blood and flesh Bigfoot presented.  There’s nothing but faith.

[ArMaP]

While looking for better versions of the images/video I found two things I had never seen:

1 - A scanned 4x5in colour transparency made by Kodak used on a PDF (that's why it has that blue rectangle);
(click for full size)


2 - A (bad) copy of the full film, in which we can see that "Patty" appears 3 times, around 2:35, followed by the famous sequence, and the final part, where we can see "Patty" moving away.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c..._film.webm

Too bad we don't have the full film with that scan quality...

[WallFlowerActive]

Thought about the possible scenarios.

The most likely.  Bigfoot sightings are actually people confused by seeing things like bears.  Explains why sighting of Bigfoot are more likely in bear country.  Explains why a Bigfoot has never been killed accidentally by people hunting bear.  Explains why just in Yellowstone three bears a year are killed on average by vehicles.  (Lots more cars are damaged by curious bears.) Where there has never been a confirmed case of an adult or adolescent Bigfoot killed by a vehicle in all of North America for the entire history of the automobile.  Backed by no fossil evidence of Bigfoot ever existing in North America.  No fossil record of migration and / or the evolutionary process.



Or people are seeing something supernatural or some sort of spirt.  If you think a hole in science somehow is evidence of Bigfoot, then that is an extension of that.  Where there was a shift in the Bigfoot community thinking Bigfoot is an inter dimensional creator and explains the reason for lack of physical blood and bone specimen of Bigfoot.  Explains why no Bigfeet accidentally shot by people hunting bear.  Explains why a no confirmed kills by vehicles.  Explains why no fossil record.

Or Bigfeet were underpopulated and become extinct in the 1980.  Still doesn’t explain the lack of a fossil record showing migration and evolution.  Etc…

Or the Bigfeet population was so small, the government rounded them up the entire Bigfeet population where they now live in captivity.  Still doesn’t explain the lack of a fossil record showing migration and evolution.  Etc…

Or Bigfeet are nothing but a story like Smurfs.  Explains the lack of fossil evidence.  Why a flesh and blood Bigfoot cannot be found / captured for actual examination.  So there is nothing but faith.  Where faith has been used by con-men for millennia to take advantage of people for personal gain.

[Halfswede]

I generally don't care how threads go, but I have at least a passing interest in the general topic and have watched the conversation mostly from a distance. 

That said, there are 45 posts from you, Wallflower, in this thread -- something you don't believe exists. You've absolutely dominated the conversation essentially just repeating "fake, con, monkey suit". It's pretty safe to say what your position is. Maybe it's time to move on and leave the thread to people interested in the topic. Maybe that's just your thing. Who knows.

[WallFlowerActive]

I generally don't care how threads go, but I have at least a passing interest in the general topic and have watched the conversation mostly from a distance. 

That said, there are 45 posts from you, Wallflower, in this thread -- something you don't believe exists. You've absolutely dominated the conversation essentially just repeating "fake, con, monkey suit". It's pretty safe to say what your position is. Maybe it's time to move on and leave the thread to people interested in the topic. Maybe that's just your thing. Who knows.

Ok?

I also have a vested interest and practice tracking and nature photography.  I really don’t like cons.

Maybe it’s time to stop having faith in cons, and require actual scientific evidence of Bigfoot.  Not fake plaster casts and guys in suits.  And the staged reality shows are a joke.  

As far as plaster foot casts among the Bigfeet community, there is quite a real drama in the community who has real and how has fake casts.  

How about presenting a real flesh and bone Bigfoot.  People do it all the time for bears.  Till then, there is as much evidence as Smurfs being real flesh and bone animals as Bigfoot.  

 

[Halfswede]

ok. so you are obsessed.  Never mind. Enjoy BF living rent-free in your head.

[Unknownparadox]

Ok.  Still a fact more people live on inland than on the ocean. Lots more.  

Now you are being dismissive.  In the lack of physical evidence.  You literal can’t provide a flesh and bone Bigfoot.  Where there was a shift a few years ago in the Bigfoot community that Bigfoot was interdimensional to justify the lack of physical evidence.  I think there very well  might be a spirit world, and if Bigfeet aren’t just confused with bears and yet there is no flesh and bone Bigfeet, then they very well might be spirits or demons.  Like you pointed out, there is a hole in science.

But.  Yet in a world where living in the Midwest I can still see lions and tigers in the flesh.  Where people have captured and produced flesh and blood mountain lions.  Where only a few “special” people can find things like Bigfoot foot prints and act like gate keeps where there is no flesh and blood Bigfeet presented.  Then all you have is faith were you can’t go and get evidence in the flesh and blood for yourself.

Doesn't matter how many people live inland. Lots claim to have seen bigfoot. I couldn't tell you if it exist or not. Native Americans have legends about it, and UFO's. So the idea of bigfoot has been around long before hoaxes were cool.

I have no idea what is all out there. I am positive science doesn't have all the answers. Could there be a bigfoot? Yeah. Could there be aliens? Yeah. Could there be a spirit world? Yeah. Do I have proof of any of it? Nope.

I don't know what all is out there. You mentioned bears getting hit by cars. Animals don't seem to comprehend what cars are, or what they do. Yet they can see them, and still get run over by them. It may be just that simple. We just can't comprehend what else is out there. There is a ton of information the human brain ignores, and even more that it isn't capable of perceiving.

The idea you have to have proof of something before you investigate it, seems counter productive to learning. Rogue waves were reported for hundreds of years. Science said it was impossible. And called them all fools, until undeniable photographic evidence came to light. Then all of a sudden. Not only are rogue waves possible, it's a science now.

[WallFlowerActive]

Doesn't matter how many people live inland. Lots claim to have seen bigfoot. I

I know it’s hard for people to comprehend.  I’m coming from the standpoint of a wildlife photographer as a hobby where I grew up playing in the forest, fields, steams, and woods.  Tracking animals, and sometimes just stumbling upon them.  When a coyote or wild turkey are spooked and run / fly out in front of you, makes you jump.  

Millions like me.  Or actual hunters. Are people actually “at sea” in your rogue wave analogy.  We are literally spending hours from blinds witnessing wildlife.  People that setup a proactive strategy and actually take action on it.  Keep up the hunt until the goal is achieved.  I went hiking in the Smokey mountains.  Didn’t even have to look for bears.  They were just there.  Part of the environment.  Living, breathing, foraging, drinking from water supplies. 

People hunt all manner of animals in North America.  Deer to mule deer.  Mountain goats to bear.  And yet, no evidence that Bigfoot is anything other than a legend or myth.

There are only about 25,000 lions left in Africa.  I don’t agree with it, but about 600 are killed by hunters each year.  Yet, not one confirmed Bigfoot kill.  

Notice, I don’t totally dismiss people that claim they have seen Bigfoot.  I think lots of people are just confused by bears.  I also think people are seeing maybe some sort of spirit or demon. How’s that for your rogue wave hole in science.  If you think I’m wrong, prove me wrong with a flesh and bone Bigfoot to examine.

[WallFlowerActive]

Bigfeet hunting.  Literally taking the fisherman and you should have seen the one that got away to turn it into a media / book business.

[Unknownparadox]

I know it’s hard for people to comprehend.  I’m coming from the standpoint of a wildlife photographer as a hobby where I grew up playing in the forest, fields, steams, and woods.  Tracking animals, and sometimes just stumbling upon them.  When a coyote or wild turkey are spooked and run / fly out in front of you, makes you jump.  

Millions like me.  Or actual hunters. Are people actually “at sea” in your rogue wave analogy.  We are literally spending hours from blinds witnessing wildlife.  People that setup a proactive strategy and actually take action on it.  Keep up the hunt until the goal is achieved.  I went hiking in the Smokey mountains.  Didn’t even have to look for bears.  They were just there.  Part of the environment.  Living, breathing, foraging, drinking from water supplies. 

People hunt all manner of animals in North America.  Deer to mule deer.  Mountain goats to bear.  And yet, no evidence that Bigfoot is anything other than a legend or myth.

There are only about 25,000 lions left in Africa.  I don’t agree with it, but about 600 are killed by hunters each year.  Yet, not one confirmed Bigfoot kill.  

Notice, I don’t totally dismiss people that claim they have seen Bigfoot.  I think lots of people are just confused by bears.  I also think people are seeing maybe some sort of spirit or demon. How’s that for your rogue wave hole in science.  If you think I’m wrong, prove me wrong with a flesh and bone Bigfoot to examine.

I grew up hunting and, fishing. I been in and around the woods most of my life. I haven't done any wilderness expeditions, but it was in the woods rather a farm house on 500 acres that I saw a UFO. And in 50 years I have never seen another. So I don't discount everything as impossible.

If bigfoot exist. It would most likely be a alien interdimensional thing. As oppose to animal species here on the planet. Since it is so hard to catch. I personally think if spirits or demons exist they are most likely aliens or interdimensional as well.