The Patterson-Gimlin Footage.

[ArMaP]

Life is messy.  So.  Bigfoot isn’t flesh and bone like a deer, bear, or mountain lion.

Apparently.

[Kurokage]

Did you read my post or did you read something else?

I said we don't see the foot touch the ground (on that clip), how can we know if it bends or not when doing it?

I did read your post. 

In part of the clip you can supposedly see the the middle of the foot bend up as it moves (around the 1.10 mark), and not just when it touches the ground (which is obscured in the clip any way)

[Kurokage]

I think in this case it's an issue of people's concept of evidence vs. proof. On this topic, people tend to conflate the two and loudly declare there is no evidence, making it seem pointless to look at the evidence. That coupled with the absolute ridicule make it where even the people reporting are the smallest fraction. So many describe waiting decades to tell even their families and still got ridiculed.

There is no proof.

There is lots of evidence, some very weak, and some compelling, but at the end of the day we have about half a dozen intriguing videos, several fully exposed hoaxes, and have reached a time when no amount of video evidence will be accepted due to technology. The use of game cams is pointless, people have reportedly hit them with cars and had the feds take over. 

At this point, how would you provide proof? If today, in your state, watched a BF cross your barbed-wire fence and leave a bunch of hair, what would you actually do and how successful would you actually be to bring that forward -- do you take to the police? do you take to the news? how many primatologists would you attempt to contact to take a look at it before you gave up? Alas, you are left with a small community of labeled "kooks and cons" that would do anything with it and then it's already tainted from a credibility standpoint. 

It's like the big cats in England.  In frustration, one person sent in actual jaguar hair taken from a cat sanctuary in the states and the scientists at the govt (DoE I beleive) got the summary report of 'house cat DNA'. It's doubtful that they even tested it. If you sponsor the testing yourself, you get immediate credibility issues. It's complex.

We get it at the state level all the time with certain wildlife. No cougars/bears/etc in this state. People are thrilled to jump on social media smack down any pics and vids with the backing of "Science" and declare anyone who claims otherwise an idiot. So game cam "proof" gets shared among hunters and everybody lays low and laughs at F&W but have no interest in the mobs of "smart people" telling them that the giant cougar sniffing their camper in their back yard doesn't exist there. My belief is that wildlife management simply doesn't want the headache of a now very rare animal in their state. Imagine something incredibly rare.

My main point is that this is a very complicated social and scientific endeavor from so many angles.

Such an excellent well written post that covers all the problems with this subject, and how difficult it is to just have a simple conversation about it. We now know Homo sapiens evolved along other upright hominids, and not just Neanderthals.
Are all the thousands of sightings all misidentification? And even if only 1% are of something non-human, having a conversation about the possibilities just seems obvious.

[putnam6]

I think in this case it's an issue of people's concept of evidence vs. proof. On this topic, people tend to conflate the two and loudly declare there is no evidence, making it seem pointless to look at the evidence. That coupled with the absolute ridicule make it where even the people reporting are the smallest fraction. So many describe waiting decades to tell even their families and still got ridiculed.

There is no proof.

There is lots of evidence, some very weak, and some compelling, but at the end of the day we have about half a dozen intriguing videos, several fully exposed hoaxes, and have reached a time when no amount of video evidence will be accepted due to technology. The use of game cams is pointless, people have reportedly hit them with cars and had the feds take over. 

At this point, how would you provide proof? If today, in your state, watched a BF cross your barbed-wire fence and leave a bunch of hair, what would you actually do and how successful would you actually be to bring that forward -- do you take to the police? do you take to the news? how many primatologists would you attempt to contact to take a look at it before you gave up? Alas, you are left with a small community of labeled "kooks and cons" that would do anything with it and then it's already tainted from a credibility standpoint. 

It's like the big cats in England.  In frustration, one person sent in actual jaguar hair taken from a cat sanctuary in the states and the scientists at the govt (DoE I beleive) got the summary report of 'house cat DNA'. It's doubtful that they even tested it. If you sponsor the testing yourself, you get immediate credibility issues. It's complex.

We get it at the state level all the time with certain wildlife. No cougars/bears/etc in this state. People are thrilled to jump on social media smack down any pics and vids with the backing of "Science" and declare anyone who claims otherwise an idiot. So game cam "proof" gets shared among hunters and everybody lays low and laughs at F&W but have no interest in the mobs of "smart people" telling them that the giant cougar sniffing their camper in their back yard doesn't exist there. My belief is that wildlife management simply doesn't want the headache of a now very rare animal in their state. Imagine something incredibly rare.

My main point is that this is a very complicated social and scientific endeavor from so many angles.

Quoted because it needs to be read again and over...it is a convoluted mess, and yes, I could easily see American Wildlife management not wanting to admit there's an unknown species of cat, cougar, coyote, bear, or wolf in areas where they are supposedly non-existent. 

Like the recent Kentucky cougar, Florida big cats, and black bear... It's been hard to get a straight answer....

Now, imagine a massive bipedal ape-like creature with a smallish migratory population.

Completely convinced that if the gubmint could keep them hidden, they would for a plethora of reasons.

The PNW logging business certainly would want to; hell, the regulations around some endangered owl killed more than a few lumber mills.

They wouldn't be able to harvest trees anywhere, especially if BF was/is nomadic and migratory.  

 


Plenty of evidence suggests that IF THEY do exist, they could easily follow the bear population's migratory habits, following the spring berries and other fauna

[WallFlowerActive]

Such an excellent well written post that covers all the problems with this subject, and how difficult it is to just have a simple conversation about it. We now know Homo sapiens evolved along other upright hominids, and not just Neanderthals.
Are all the thousands of sightings all misidentification? And even if only 1% are of something non-human, having a conversation about the possibilities just seems obvious.

Not really.  It ignores that if Bigfoot was flesh and bone would have to have a whole natural history, maintain a breeding population, would leave remains and bodies when they pass, have to poop.  Where there are examples of animals interacting with other animals.  Bears attracted to a salmon run.  Birds that clean animals.  Wolves and crows. Animals attract parasites, can get sick. People harvest and capture big game. Animals competing for resources.

Added.  Some sick people out there.  I imagine someone would pay millions to a game guide or large property owner to be the first to shoot a Bigfoot.  People in general don’t leave money like that on the table.

[ArMaP]

I did read your post. 

In part of the clip you can supposedly see the the middle of the foot bend up as it moves (around the 1.10 mark), and not just when it touches the ground (which is obscured in the clip any way)

I can't see it.

Regarding that, I went looking for videos of monkeys walking and couldn't see it either.

[Bush Master]

[Bush Master]

It seems like Bigfoot is closing in on me. 



It's about a half hour away. I don't want to give my exact location, in case he or she is online.