The Patterson-Gimlin Footage.

[Kurokage]

I wish she were a myth 


As I stated, Im on the fence in reference to the Patty film 


I completely get the skepticism; my default is skepticism.

Im settled into a 70% fake 30% uncertain on the Patty film...


Probably 60/40 on the overall Bigfoot phenomenon, are all the eyewitnesses wrong, every sighting a fake or misidentification, statistically, it seems impossible

That's pretty much my stance, but I'm maybe 55% fake, 45% a possibly unknown relative of Homo sapien. It's hard to believe that so many close up sightings from hunters and rural people are misidentifications of a bear.

[Kurokage]

Is it visible in the video on the opening post? I can't see it.

I've found a clip from a History Channel special (sorry ) that's pretty good quality and shows a slow motion of the clip in question.

[WallFlowerActive]

That's pretty much my stance, but I'm maybe 55% fake, 45% a possibly unknown relative of Homo sapien. It's hard to believe that so many close up sightings from hunters and rural people are misidentifications of a bear.

And yet.  A Bigfoot has never been accidentally shot by a hunter in all the history of North America.  

And yet.  No bigfoot hunter has provided any flesh and bone specimen of Bigfoot.  In a world I can find deer skulls and antler sheds from just hiking through the woods.  In a world where giant squid wash ashore time to time.  Added.  Making all their books useless with no means to validate them.

The Bigfoot community has a whole is incompetent at finding any flesh and bone specimen where out of sheer time someone should have found at least the remains of a corpse.

So.  Most “sightings” are just campfires stories, misidentification, or Bigfoot legitimately has supernatural abilities.

[WallFlowerActive]

45% a possibly unknown relative of Homo sapien.

Not sure that’s how that works.  They exist or don’t.  Or became extinct.

If they exist, discovery is a function of breeding population size, vs size of habit, vs the frequency of how often we humans reduce and invade that habitat.  And if that pressure forces more contact.  Where the ability to find a physical specimen should increase as the amount of active hunters increases while habit shrinks.  Which is currently occurring.  You would think the recent numbers of wildfires would have forced something physical out of the bush / woods.


Added.  In all seriousness and a heavy heart.  The sadness and the reality of the fires.

 

https://www.kcrw.com/shows/kcrw-features...e-altadena

I could have gone all my life with seeing that, but that would be to live in ignorance.

[Kurokage]

Not sure that’s how that works.  They exist or don’t.  Or became extinct.

If they exist, discovery is a function of breeding population size, vs size of habit, vs the frequency of how often we humans reduce and invade that habitat.  And if that pressure forces more contact.  Where the ability to find a physical specimen should increase as the amount of active hunters increases while habit shrinks.  Which is currently occurring.  You would think the recent numbers of wildfires would have forced something physical out of the bush / woods.


Added.  In all seriousness and a heavy heart.  The sadness and the reality of the fires.

 [Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/IMG_1656.jpeg]

https://www.kcrw.com/shows/kcrw-features...e-altadena

I could have gone all my life with seeing that, but that would be to live in ignorance.

Who cares about your Bobcat fetish!?! This thread is about the Patty film.

I'll leave this here for you....

 
See, you bias here stands out like a sore thumb. 

Never once I have claimed to believe in Bigfoot, and especially not in this thread but because your so stuck at trying to attack anything I've posted, you've made yourself look foolish.

All you have faith in, is that your right, and everybody else is wrong!!

You keep 'reeing' about showing you a dead body, and that I'm a believer and have faith in a group of frauds and cons. How about you shut up or put up. Go and show me where I claim to believe all this!!!

I'll wait for your next post of your 'proof'  

[ArMaP]

I posted a new(ish) video from 'Cabin in the Woods' back on page 4, who's a Youtuber. His video features insights from photo archivist and PGF historian Todd Gatewood, whose frame-by-frame restoration of the original 1967 film is revealing detail hidden for decades. I hope that this can bring some new insight into the film and thus Patty.

How can anyone restore the original film if nobody knows where it is?
He (or anyone else) can only restore a copy of the original, and we do not know how good that copy was when compared to the original.

And don't forget that a film can be altered. It's not as easy as using Adobe After Effects or something like that but it's possible and that's how they did it before computers existed for that purpose.

I'll take a look at that video from page 4.

[ArMaP]

I've found a clip from a History Channel special (sorry ) that's pretty good quality and shows a slow motion of the clip in question.
[Video: https://youtu.be/5J4LTNb-8Hw?si=dPQ8pIBH03mdkOVe]

The foot (big or not ) goes behind some things in the foreground, we don't see the foot touch the ground.

If I find a good enough copy I will post some frame by frame images.

[Kurokage]

And yet.  A Bigfoot has never been accidentally shot by a hunter in all the history of North America.  

And yet.  No bigfoot hunter has provided any flesh and bone specimen of Bigfoot.  In a world I can find deer skulls and antler sheds from just hiking through the woods.  In a world where giant squid wash ashore time to time.  Added.  Making all their books useless with no means to validate them.

The Bigfoot community has a whole is incompetent at finding any flesh and bone specimen where out of sheer time someone should have found at least the remains of a corpse.

So.  Most “sightings” are just campfires stories, misidentification, or Bigfoot legitimately has supernatural abilities.

Ok, if you can stop accusing me of having blind faith in this, and its all just con-men, we'll give this discussion one more try! 

I agree that it's strange that if Bigfoot was real, why hasn't one been shot? A few believe (like you) that Bigfoot is either a supernatural creature or has supernatural abilities, but as that isn't shown in the Patty footage, maybe make a thread about it, and see who bites? 

Even though I am on the fence, I do like to think about why so many people who aren't just city folk, but people who have lived their entire life in a rural environment, report seeing these things?
 Many native Americans across the U.S. have tales and myths of local tribes of big hairy creatures that lived along side nature.
https://www.northwestbigfoot.com/native-...creatures/

If the creature in the Patterson-Gimlin Footage is real, it looks natural (or flesh and blood) and not supernatural...

So just to speculate-
If a Hominid ancestor or cousin of us had not separated itself but remained amongst nature, what sort of skills would said creature have? When wild Chimps or Gorillas are tracked, they're rarely seen, and it's only after several days of following sounds, and disturbed brush do they come across them, and it takes very good tracking skills to do so.
Imagine something with a closer or even the same intelligence to us but able to not only understand it's environment but live completely harmonious to it. Unless it wanted to be seen, I imagine it would very difficult to capture or track for any length of time.
If this same creature evolved along side us, could it have decided we're to violent or can't be trusted, so avoids contact at all costs?

[Kurokage]

How can anyone restore the original film if nobody knows where it is?
He (or anyone else) can only restore a copy of the original, and we do not know how good that copy was when compared to the original.

And don't forget that a film can be altered. It's not as easy as using Adobe After Effects or something like that but it's possible and that's how they did it before computers existed for that purpose.

I'll take a look at that video from page 4.

 (photo archivist and PGF historian Todd Gatewood, whose frame-by-frame restoration of the original 1967 film reveals stunning detail hidden for decades.) Comments taken from the Youtube video.

This Todd Gatewood claims to have the original footage??

https://mysterylores.com/news/lost-media...m-footage/

[Kurokage]

The foot (big or not ) goes behind some things in the foreground, we don't see the foot touch the ground.

If I find a good enough copy I will post some frame by frame images.

Yeah, it's meant to show the bending of the foot across the center/middle, which humans don't have.