The Most Dangerous Person On Earth

[putnam6]

If I ruminate a bit more we have some stereotypes we can digest or displace a bit too.
There's a stereotype that I am sure a lot of younger guys always have,  that's the lone wolf oh the so tough on his own society better watch out he doesn't need anyone-  like the video maybe tries to portray. 
Everyone relies on someone at the end of the day, no matter what , even if it's said loner relying on Wei Wang who made the tactical boots he is wearing in a factory overseas. 
No man is an island, that's silly.

Another one that is a good stereotype is the hermit/philosopher mage, spiritually enlightened,  alone in the wilderness.
This one comes to mind because a lot of people also think of it as a snapshot in perpetuity.
The thing to think about with this one is that this hermit stage is temporary.  It occurs after one has already proven to themselves and those around them that they can function in society and benefit themselves and others in a normal 'householder' status.  It's not escapism, it's a slow evolution to perfecting ones actions.
First comes the physical focus then comes the mental then the spiritual. 

One can also be a hermit at the end of their mundane day, balancing the making money or toiling and then focussing on the inner self, afterwards.

No one is going to be pure hermit all the time or in their whole life. 


Just some thoughts.

Point remains never said, suggested, or inferred that all antisocials are 100% independent.

Whats with all the reductionalism

We are discussing anti-social leadership, and being the leader above anything but an anti-social community, is hard AF in today's quasi-civilized society.

Anti-Socials don't do the kiss ass salesman BS, which irks TF out of the compliant segment of the community. 
Yes or no?

[Bootless]

society /sə-sī′ĭ-tē/
noun

1. The totality of people regarded as forming a community of interdependent individuals.
   "working for the benefit of society."
   

And there we have it!!!

Even in the Original Post video:
The guy is in some eating establishment (that he didn't build),
wearing ear buds which he neither invented, nor made,
listening to an audio-book that he neither wrote nor recorded on a medium he didn't make himself.

Likewise: I eat food every day. I didn't plant it, harvest it, ship it, or package it. I merely bought it in a store which I didn't build or stock. Other members of my society did all that for me. I am dependent on that society of people. I would perish within a very few days without the coordinated work of all these people.

To be quite honest: I receive from society one helluva  lot more than I contribute. If the only way that I can make a slight dent in the trade deficit is to be civil toward my benefactors then civil I will attempt to be.

[sahgwa]

Point remains never said, suggested, or inferred that all antisocials are 100% independent.

Whats with all the reductionalism

We are discussing anti-social leadership, and being the leader above anything but an anti-social community, is hard AF in today's quasi-civilized society.

Anti-Socials don't do the kiss ass salesman BS, which irks TF out of the compliant segment of the community. 
Yes or no?

I beg to differ , in stating that I believe that videos like that glorify or at least infer that antisocial behaviour is 'cool' and 'independent' , you are the creme de la creme of 'society' if you are too cool for school.

I grew up fairly anti social but then I think I also grew up further to realise that at it's heart, a lot of antisociality is not psychological leaning or encoding but rather selfishness. 

Also I think that the term 'anti-social community' is an oxymoron. 
One can be invested in society but divested politically or emotionally; rather attempting to do it out of concern for the whole and also of course one's own well being.  But then we get into complicated proofs and semantics. 

The reductionalism is there I suppose in the spirit of creating a discussion :)

[Anna]

And there we have it!!!

Even in the Original Post video:
The guy is in some eating establishment (that he didn't build),
wearing ear buds which he neither invented, nor made,
listening to an audio-book that he neither wrote nor recorded on a medium he didn't make himself.

Not to mention that the author of this video asks his audience a small favor at the end; to share the video and drop a comment. Because the algorithm needs to know what is important. Here people, I don't need your validation but please acknowledge that piece of personal wisdom I posted here, could you?

[putnam6]

I beg to differ , in stating that I believe that videos like that glorify or at least infer that antisocial behaviour is 'cool' and 'independent' , you are the creme de la creme of 'society' if you are too cool for school.

I grew up fairly anti social but then I think I also grew up further to realise that at it's heart, a lot of antisociality is not psychological leaning or encoding but rather selfishness. 

Also I think that the term 'anti-social community' is an oxymoron. 
One can be invested in society but divested politically or emotionally; rather attempting to do it out of concern for the whole and also of course one's own well being.  But then we get into complicated proofs and semantics. 

The reductionalism is there I suppose in the spirit of creating a discussion :)

We are already discussing it, reducing it to its base nature still doesn't make the anti-social candidate anywhere close to the best choice for broad-based political leadership.

If so?

Then run for President...

That's such a small niche group, who cares? 

LOL, even a significant percentage of the anti-social would reject any form of public service

Just name one successful, relatively antisocial leader internationally or domestically...

[Nerb]

The whole divine enlightened king thing is ideology, but the whole corrupt oligarch and emotional mob rule is reality, generally.  Even when we dress it up in pretty names like parliament or congress.  
......

edit to add, even if people think they are entering government for altruistic reasons, a lot of the types we see around are busybody types that project 'social justice' but really just like to tell people what to do.

Hidden in plain sight....

"GOVERNMENT/GOVERNMENTAL"

To "Govern" means "To Control". "mental" means "relating to the mind".

Obvious really if we actually think about it, but who cares these days? Big Brother has been around since the dawn of Politics.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

So the the elephant in the forum outweighs all claims to being independent then?

That's kinda why I posted this, without too much editorializing. 

I think there are commonalities with Aurelius and Nietzche, like being above the triggers of society like stuff, but like most "wake up" type videos there are always logic conundrums that can validate or invalidate either position.

Like a really antisocial person can use validation for their own power. It's almost presidential. Saying something to build a following only seeking validation or believing it for the following, more like The Laws to Power than being above and beyond for the sake of being superman..

It's all somewhat prone to a cycle of anti-validation and equal superficiality.

The entire time watching, I'm thinking, "Cool, that sounds like me," "oh yes, that too!" "But how do I post this without out seeking validation?" 

An irony being you share the sociology
video you shouldn't really need to share, because you shouldn't need validation or need to wake anyone up.

Maybe express that you wish for no one to actually like the video you post? 

The elephant of this is always too much. 

Like you could probably prove almost everyone is a validation seeker if you troll their posting of not needing it and they freak out. If they get defensive or hurt by the trolling of this you can pretty much prove the opposite with regards to validation.

[chivo]

to be well adjusted to today's western type of society is not a good measure of sanity or mental faculties, quite the opposite

[Maxmars]

[An off-topic note to everyone....]

Thank you all for your conversation....

[On topic]

It rests upon each individual to find a cogent path... navigating between the human world and the natural one.
It cannot be logically denied the two are different...

We create the former out of the latter, .

Much perceptual information, (as with light?) flexes and bows as it travels, and each distinct viewer will "see" something just a little different... the shadow hasn't changed.

I think we're learning still... that maybe one of the only universal constants of consciousness.

I would opine now, as an "older" man... Being a loner has context... as  in "what are we alone from?"  More insights can be gained from the answer... I don't mean to say that for anyone's benefit... except my own.

[sahgwa]

We are already discussing it, reducing it to its base nature still doesn't make the anti-social candidate anywhere close to the best choice for broad-based political leadership.

If so?

Then run for President...

That's such a small niche group, who cares? 

LOL, even a significant percentage of the anti-social would reject any form of public service

Just name one successful, relatively antisocial leader internationally or domestically...

That all comes back to my initial post about how the world 'is structured'

In an awkward metaphor, in the hour glass of life, the sands of the 'independents' or 'loners' will flow down mostly unnoticed while the larger chunks of the egotists and power-hungry or busybodies will stay floating near the top as they are too large to fit through the hole.   True independents don't want to have the illusion of leading, or telling people what to do.  They want to do their best to lead themselves, and hopefully that vibrates to the other sands around them so then they can flow smoother to the next part of life.