The Mandela Effect

[billxam]

Yeah ... I remember Nelson Mandella dying a few times.   The preacher Billy Graham too.   It's happened to me on a few things.  I think it's a real time mess up thingy.

Billy Graham got me too. Apparently a preacher so nice he died twice.
I don't even get surprised anymore by any of these things.

[CCoburn]

My apologies. I was merely trying to use as many compound "every-" words as I could, to explore the issue. I didn't mean anything personal by it. In fact I had to look up the list myself, to see where I was "confused".

It's all good, and yes, I did notice that as well, and I suppose it is possible for someone to be oblivious to their own casual condescension (or not). I've been on a few forums and it is somewhat an infamous artform for some to take stealty stabs for whatever reason without resorting to any of the redline lingo.

I suppose it could even be a good thing in exploring other realms of writing (or stimulus) that slightly invoke emotion and require some exercise in restraint (for some).

Language can be subjective, and perspectives vary, so I cannot speak unequivocally and intuit the precise motivations/perspectives of any particular little birdie, yet.

[UltraBudgie]

I think I’ve jumped multiple timelines over my lifetime. 

There seem to be two competing ideas with the Mandela Effect, beyond the simple "false memory", "mass formation effect", and "100th money syndrome" explanations. First, of individual jumping between timelines in a multiverse, and second, of "retconning", or retroactively making things consistent on one timeline, with some residual memory but no public proof. Are these all sides of the same effect? Are we looking at the problem correctly? These are things I think about as I finish my second cup of coffee. Have a nice day.

[l0st]

There seem to be two competing ideas with the Mandela Effect, beyond the simple "false memory", "mass formation effect", and "100th money syndrome" explanations. First, of individual jumping between timelines in a multiverse, and second, of "retconning", or retroactively making things consistent on one timeline, with some residual memory but no public proof. Are these all sides of the same effect? Are we looking at the problem correctly? These are things I think about as I finish my second cup of coffee. Have a nice day.

I think multiverse theory may be correct and that at least some of us, intentionally or unintentionally, can jump timelines. I see no other explanation for many of my observations. Kinda like that movie "Jumper".

I'll tell you why:

As creepy as this may sound, I've "kept tabs" on some old friends over the years. Nothing serious... Just look them up, see what they're up to. Maybe drop a line or a catch up phone call. Nothing serious. In the last 3 or 4 years or so, many of my old contacts have seemingly disappeared. I mean no trace online whatsoever. I initially thought this was just evolution of the Internet, changes to search, etc. However, some of these people... I knew them quite personally... Knew personsl details that might allow me to find them through alternate means... Well, it's like some of these people never existed. Literally no trace. People I dated for an extended period... Can't even find legal records like they were never born.

Whatever timeline I am on now, I don't know these people. And, people seem to know or recognize me whom I've never met. I've had several instances of people yelling out a name at me like they're calling for me and know me yet I do not know them - and the names are incorrect. I also don't recognize my family members anymore. They do not seem tbe my family even if they appear the same.

On the side of conspiracy theory, I do have to wonder if the research at places like CERN had permanently altered timelines, at least for some of us.

[UltraBudgie]

I think multiverse theory may be correct and that at least some of us, intentionally or unintentionally, can jump timelines. I see no other explanation for many of my observations. Kinda like that movie "Jumper".

I'll tell you why:

As creepy as this may sound, I've "kept tabs" on some old friends over the years. Nothing serious... Just look them up, see what they're up to. Maybe drop a line or a catch up phone call. Nothing serious. In the last 3 or 4 years or so, many of my old contacts have seemingly disappeared. I mean no trace online whatsoever. I initially thought this was just evolution of the Internet, changes to search, etc. However, some of these people... I knew them quite personally... Knew personsl details that might allow me to find them through alternate means... Well, it's like some of these people never existed. Literally no trace. People I dated for an extended period... Can't even find legal records like they were never born.

Whatever timeline I am on now, I don't know these people. And, people seem to know or recognize me whom I've never met. I've had several instances of people yelling out a name at me like they're calling for me and know me yet I do not know them - and the names are incorrect. I also don't recognize my family members anymore. They do not seem tbe my family even if they appear the same.

On the side of conspiracy theory, I do have to wonder if the research at places like CERN had permanently altered timelines, at least for some of us.

I'm trying to think through the logic of it. If those missing friends were only friends on some other timeline, and their lives on this one took a different path and now no longer intersect yours, then wouldn't your life also have taken a different path? As in, when you "timeline jumped", you'd suddenly have a different apartment, job, whatever, because the people in your past who influenced you and your choices suddenly no longer had, and the life you "jumped into" would be different as a result. If the jump rewrote your memory of the circumstances of your life so that you didn't notice such changes, then why would certain memories of past friends remain? It seem your observation is more consistent with the idea that you are living in a simulation, or a slice of it, all your friends were really NPCs, or at least presented to you as such, projected from their slices, and the simulation is capable of rewriting provable history at any point, juggling how things must have intersected to achieve the desired current-state consistency. Sorry if that tastes like a poison red pill -- please don't spiral with the thought, I imagine it isn't the first time its occurred to you (or me) though.

[UltraBudgie]

Some of mine:

Sally Ride died in challenger explosion, not as it is currently her dying of cancer much later in life.

That surprised me too, but I may be confusing her with Christa McAuliffe.

I have a different one with that -- the Challenger shuttle exploded January 28, 1986, but I have definite memories that place it as happening in early 1985, at the latest.

Does anyone else remember it happening earlier than 1986?

[BeTheGoddess]

That surprised me too, but I may be confusing her with Christa McAuliffe.

I have a different one with that -- the Challenger shuttle exploded January 28, 1986, but I have definite memories that place it as happening in early 1985, at the latest.

Does anyone else remember it happening earlier than 1986?

There are a few people who have an ME regarding the date of challenger, one guy saying he saw it at school, but the date is when school holidays were on?. As for the year, I did read a couple of comments claiming it happened in 84 for them.

[UltraBudgie]

now there are clouds on mars why are there clouds on mars I don't remember clouds on mars and the sky is blue what what okay nasa

[Byrd]

now there are clouds on mars why are there clouds on mars I don't remember clouds on mars and the sky is blue what what okay nasa

We've known that there were dust clouds on Mars since 1809. Source: Wikipedia

Honore Flaugergues's 1809 discovery of "yellow clouds" on the surface of Mars is the first known observation of Martian dust storms.[sup][4][/sup] Flaugergues also observed in 1813 significant polar-ice waning during Martian springtime. His speculation that this meant that Mars was warmer than Earth proved inaccurate. 

[Byrd]

I think multiverse theory may be correct and that at least some of us, intentionally or unintentionally, can jump timelines. I see no other explanation for many of my observations. Kinda like that movie "Jumper".

I'll tell you why:

As creepy as this may sound, I've "kept tabs" on some old friends over the years. Nothing serious... Just look them up, see what they're up to. Maybe drop a line or a catch up phone call. Nothing serious. In the last 3 or 4 years or so, many of my old contacts have seemingly disappeared. I mean no trace online whatsoever. I initially thought this was just evolution of the Internet, changes to search, etc. However, some of these people... I knew them quite personally... Knew personsl details that might allow me to find them through alternate means... Well, it's like some of these people never existed. Literally no trace. People I dated for an extended period... Can't even find legal records like they were never born.

Whatever timeline I am on now, I don't know these people. And, people seem to know or recognize me whom I've never met. I've had several instances of people yelling out a name at me like they're calling for me and know me yet I do not know them - and the names are incorrect. I also don't recognize my family members anymore. They do not seem tbe my family even if they appear the same.

On the side of conspiracy theory, I do have to wonder if the research at places like CERN had permanently altered timelines, at least for some of us.

If you've ever done genealogy, you know how hard it is to find people unless they're really famous.  What's going on is that you don't have the right databases to search and some of the information isn't public.

You could find them if you trawled through the IRS database and knew their social security number.  Some of them may have gone by different names in school (my husband uses his middle name, and everyone knows him by that.  But you can't find him by that name.  Likewise, I do not use my first name... so if you knew that (from my school days), I would have "disappeared."

Women are notoriously difficult to trace simply because we weren't considered "important."  So if you knew me in grade school, I have had two marriages (divorced, then remarried) and you could never have traced me.  You could find photos of me in school books, but unless you knew how to search and where to search, you couldn't find me.

I did track down my ex-husband, who left very little footprint on the landscape...but I had some very good databases and knew how to search.  Most couldn't have found him.

So... I'm thinking you just don't have the right databases.